Forum Dice Roller Testing & Development Extravaganza Thread?

Tomanta

IcyLiquid, if you haven't seen it check out myth-weavers.com

They have an extremely comprehensive dice roller.

Phyphor

I wonder if this will work...

Geth roll 10d2147483647

Geth

/me rolls 10d2147483647 -> 1488084029,1366477223,2016296826,1718938426,58536997,1358462598,733465796,546124424,1968656614,1146972451 (sum:12402015384)

Smasher

Geth roll "1d4294967295 1d999999999999"

Geth

/me rolls 1d2147483647 -> 499889697 (sum:499889697), 1d2147483647 -> 1278372794 (sum:1278372794)

Tofystedeth

Admit it, you were hoping it'd roll over to a negative sided die weren't you.
edit: yep, looked at the actual, very specific size you chose. Now I just look silly.

Honk

Geth roll 1d6-1

Geth

/me rolls 1d6(-1) -> 3 (sum:3)

Honk

Geth roll 1d6+1

jothki

Geth roll 1d10+99999999999999999999999999999999

Geth

/me rolls 1d10(+99999999999999999999999999999999) -> 2147483654 (sum:2147483654)

UncleSporky

Geth, which of these villain names is the coolest?

1 - Wrathspite
2 - President Rampage
3 - Zandrathor
4 - Colonel Disapproval
5 - Hork
6 - Aloysius McRotten
7 - Hotflame Burnmost
8 - The Duke of Ill-Tiding
9 - Dave

Geth roll 1d9

It'd be cool if someday you could print the result if the list is formatted correctly.

Geth

/me rolls 1d9 -> 4 (sum:4)

UncleSporky

I was totally rooting for him! You're alright, Geth.

Erich Zahn

How feasible would it be for geth to roll Traveller characters?

Infidel

Hrmmmm

Geth roll 1d20+5

Geth

/me rolls 1d20(+5) -> 8 (sum:8)

Chrysis

One problem I can see with this is that if the results aren't available to the person making the post then it's going to lead to a lot of multi-posting when there are result dependant decisions to make. Things like a combat in Arkham Horror involve a lot of dice, in a lot of separate rolls, and decisions on clue token usage and such. For example this post of mine, involving 6 different rolls, where pretty much all of them depended on the results of either the previous roll or the first roll. It's going to be a little unwieldy, or spammy, if the results of a roll are only available once a post is actually made.

Infidel

Chrysis wrote: »

One problem I can see with this is that if the results aren't available to the person making the post then it's going to lead to a lot of multi-posting when there are result dependant decisions to make. Things like a combat in Arkham Horror involve a lot of dice, in a lot of separate rolls, and decisions on clue token usage and such. For example this post of mine, involving 6 different rolls, where pretty much all of them depended on the results of either the previous roll or the first roll. It's going to be a little unwieldy, or spammy, if the results of a roll are only available once a post is actually made.

I think that for some use-cases an integrated post roller will be unwieldy, but making the integrated roller available won't preclude using off-site ones still.

It will have to come down to what you need, the convenience of the integrated should make it workable for many though.

Not sure if these is anything that could be done to support your kind of workflow? Not without making the rolling system a lot more explicit and robust to support editing and tracking manipulation (ala Mythweavers).

Phyphor

You could do it through some form of nested bbcode with conditionals, but that would be a lot of work and you'd have to account for all possiblities for each roll and what happens then

ArbitraryDescriptor

Infidel wrote: »

Chrysis wrote: »

One problem I can see with this is that if the results aren't available to the person making the post then it's going to lead to a lot of multi-posting when there are result dependant decisions to make. Things like a combat in Arkham Horror involve a lot of dice, in a lot of separate rolls, and decisions on clue token usage and such. For example this post of mine, involving 6 different rolls, where pretty much all of them depended on the results of either the previous roll or the first roll. It's going to be a little unwieldy, or spammy, if the results of a roll are only available once a post is actually made.

I think that for some use-cases an integrated post roller will be unwieldy, but making the integrated roller available won't preclude using off-site ones still.

It will have to come down to what you need, the convenience of the integrated should make it workable for many though.

Not sure if these is anything that could be done to support your kind of workflow? Not without making the rolling system a lot more explicit and robust to support editing and tracking manipulation (ala Mythweavers).

Arkham, and the way we play it here, seems like something best left off-site. Or at least out of thread, but I'm thinking that would defeat the point.

@Chrysis a hypothetical: if you could have Geth roll all that stuff in a catch-all "Dice rolls" or "[Thread] Rolls" PM thread, would that actually be any better than using Orokos? (Or whatever). I'm thinking not, since you'd lose the ability to link the receipt for the roll.


Edit: Alternatively, maybe create a [rolls] sister thread for AH/complex games as a workaround? You'd need Geth to id the roller to avoid confusion from race conditions, but then you've got transparency and you didn't have to flood the main thread.
Then just write up the results in the narrative thread.

Just thinking out loud. Offsite still seems optimal for that type of complex rolling, apart from the bonus opportunities for creative profanity that a rolling thread would create.

Aegeri

I am really excited to see this and it's yet another awesome thing Icyliquid is doing for us (so thanks for that, because you don't get nearly enough at times).

If this goes ahead and works well enough, I think this will be the final nail out of the coffin to get me putting on my storytelling hat for that Call of Cthulhu game I want to run. I have time, a computer capable of photoshop (huzzah) and a story worked out, so a PBP on this forum with an in built dice robot (no offense Geth) is perfect. It would save a ton of time.

Chrysis

ArbitraryDescriptor wrote: »

@Chrysis a hypothetical: if you could have Geth roll all that stuff in a catch-all "Dice rolls" or "[Thread] Rolls" PM thread, would that actually be any better than using Orokos? (Or whatever). I'm thinking not, since you'd lose the ability to link the receipt for the roll.


Edit: Alternatively, maybe create a [rolls] sister thread for AH/complex games as a workaround? You'd need Geth to id the roller to avoid confusion from race conditions, but then you've got transparency and you didn't have to flood the main thread.
Then just write up the results in the narrative thread.

Just thinking out loud. Offsite still seems optimal for that type of complex rolling, apart from the bonus opportunities for creative profanity that a rolling thread would create.

Hypothetically a separate thread would, in terms of work-flow, be no different to off-site rolling. It would have the advantage of being more easily and immediately verifiable by the other players, not that I think dishonesty in rolling is a huge problem around here. The disadvantage would be from a modding perspective, in that having a separate thread whose sole purpose is contain dice rolls would potentially bloat up the forum with threads containing no discussion. Maybe if there was a sub-forum whose purpose was to contain all those dice-rolling threads under Critical Failures that would be a viable solution. Or pull the PbP threads out into a separate sub-forum so as not to drown actual discussions.

Geth

/me rolls 1d20(+10) -> 13 (sum:13)

DevoutlyApathetic

Chrysis wrote: »

ArbitraryDescriptor wrote: »

@Chrysis a hypothetical: if you could have Geth roll all that stuff in a catch-all "Dice rolls" or "[Thread] Rolls" PM thread, would that actually be any better than using Orokos? (Or whatever). I'm thinking not, since you'd lose the ability to link the receipt for the roll.


Edit: Alternatively, maybe create a [rolls] sister thread for AH/complex games as a workaround? You'd need Geth to id the roller to avoid confusion from race conditions, but then you've got transparency and you didn't have to flood the main thread.
Then just write up the results in the narrative thread.

Just thinking out loud. Offsite still seems optimal for that type of complex rolling, apart from the bonus opportunities for creative profanity that a rolling thread would create.

Hypothetically a separate thread would, in terms of work-flow, be no different to off-site rolling. It would have the advantage of being more easily and immediately verifiable by the other players, not that I think dishonesty in rolling is a huge problem around here. The disadvantage would be from a modding perspective, in that having a separate thread whose sole purpose is contain dice rolls would potentially bloat up the forum with threads containing no discussion. Maybe if there was a sub-forum whose purpose was to contain all those dice-rolling threads under Critical Failures that would be a viable solution. Or pull the PbP threads out into a separate sub-forum so as not to drown actual discussions.

No idea how possible this is but if those threads simply didn't go to the top of the index page on new post it'd solve itself neatly. Players would bookmark the thread for when needed, it's there to go check if you want and it wouldn't bother anybody else.

Edit: Oh and I greatly disagree on the work-flow comment. Posting here in two threads takes much less time than entering a bunch of rolls offsite, hyperlinking them and posting it here. Really the hyperlinking is the greatly improved ease of use. I don't imagine there would be any need to link to specific posts for something like a PbP. I'd just say Geth roll 2d20 for Twin Strike in the dice thread and list out results in the game thread. Everybody already has a link to the roll thread.

ArbitraryDescriptor

DevoutlyApathetic wrote: »

Chrysis wrote: »

ArbitraryDescriptor wrote: »

@Chrysis a hypothetical: if you could have Geth roll all that stuff in a catch-all "Dice rolls" or "[Thread] Rolls" PM thread, would that actually be any better than using Orokos? (Or whatever). I'm thinking not, since you'd lose the ability to link the receipt for the roll.


Edit: Alternatively, maybe create a [rolls] sister thread for AH/complex games as a workaround? You'd need Geth to id the roller to avoid confusion from race conditions, but then you've got transparency and you didn't have to flood the main thread.
Then just write up the results in the narrative thread.

Just thinking out loud. Offsite still seems optimal for that type of complex rolling, apart from the bonus opportunities for creative profanity that a rolling thread would create.

Hypothetically a separate thread would, in terms of work-flow, be no different to off-site rolling. It would have the advantage of being more easily and immediately verifiable by the other players, not that I think dishonesty in rolling is a huge problem around here. The disadvantage would be from a modding perspective, in that having a separate thread whose sole purpose is contain dice rolls would potentially bloat up the forum with threads containing no discussion. Maybe if there was a sub-forum whose purpose was to contain all those dice-rolling threads under Critical Failures that would be a viable solution. Or pull the PbP threads out into a separate sub-forum so as not to drown actual discussions.

No idea how possible this is but if those threads simply didn't go to the top of the index page on new post it'd solve itself neatly. Players would bookmark the thread for when needed, it's there to go check if you want and it wouldn't bother anybody else.

Edit: Oh and I greatly disagree on the work-flow comment. Posting here in two threads takes much less time than entering a bunch of rolls offsite, hyperlinking them and posting it here. Really the hyperlinking is the greatly improved ease of use. I don't imagine there would be any need to link to specific posts for something like a PbP. I'd just say Geth roll 2d20 for Twin Strike in the dice thread and list out results in the game thread. Everybody already has a link to the roll thread.

If sinking the threads is an issue (Hub seems weird about it, but I recall hearing that's a specific issue with the 'comment' threads), maybe a hidden Dice subforum in CF? OP says "Geth make me a roll thread", Geth makes a threadUID+[Rolls] thread in the hidden forum (if it doesn't exist) and posts the link. Putting it in a separate forum might allow them to auto-purge the inactive threads to help keep it tight.

Infidel

That sounds needlessly complex, much more so than implementing an actual roller.

The ideal solution seems to be: if you're doing a post with a lot of rolls and need to know the results while making it, do it using an offsite roller and link, exactly like everyone does fine now?

Making an "offsite roller but built-in" is kinda pointless imo, as soon as its not integrated into your post anymore it is not relevant because we already have non-integrated.

Spoit

I don't see why you couldn't just do a roll post and then do the actual post based on that roll?

JaysonFour

It needs a way for people to label rolls if it's going to do more than one at once. Not that I'm accusing anyone, but sometimes people will try to take the best roll out of a group for their best attack.

Infidel

People will describe what they're doing presumably in the post.

Which opens editing to abuse as I mentioned earlier, but you can just have a "don't edit posts, jerks" rule ala phalla.

IcyLiquid

Each unique invocation of Geth will be tagable.
Something like:

.Geth, roll 5d6 for Orcs throwing rocks
.Geth roll 1d20 for Evade

or something. I don't know what you kids might use for descriptions but that syntax parsing is already built it.

Tube

Infidel wrote: »

People will describe what they're doing presumably in the post.

Which opens editing to abuse as I mentioned earlier, but you can just have a "don't edit posts, jerks" rule ala phalla.

As far as I'm aware there's no way to edit a post without leaving a stamp, so just discount a roll with a stamp on it. In a case where it's an important roll that they may have fudged you can ask a mod to look at the edit history. Or just call any roll with an edit on it a botch.

Infidel

Tube wrote: »

Infidel wrote: »

People will describe what they're doing presumably in the post.

Which opens editing to abuse as I mentioned earlier, but you can just have a "don't edit posts, jerks" rule ala phalla.

As far as I'm aware there's no way to edit a post without leaving a stamp, so just discount a roll with a stamp on it. In a case where it's an important roll that they may have fudged you can ask a mod to look at the edit history. Or just call any roll with an edit on it a botch.

Yep, that is what I'm meaning. If you have an edit stamp on a vote in phalla for example we just ignore the vote.

jothki

ArbitraryDescriptor wrote: »

DevoutlyApathetic wrote: »

Chrysis wrote: »

ArbitraryDescriptor wrote: »

@Chrysis a hypothetical: if you could have Geth roll all that stuff in a catch-all "Dice rolls" or "[Thread] Rolls" PM thread, would that actually be any better than using Orokos? (Or whatever). I'm thinking not, since you'd lose the ability to link the receipt for the roll.


Edit: Alternatively, maybe create a [rolls] sister thread for AH/complex games as a workaround? You'd need Geth to id the roller to avoid confusion from race conditions, but then you've got transparency and you didn't have to flood the main thread.
Then just write up the results in the narrative thread.

Just thinking out loud. Offsite still seems optimal for that type of complex rolling, apart from the bonus opportunities for creative profanity that a rolling thread would create.

Hypothetically a separate thread would, in terms of work-flow, be no different to off-site rolling. It would have the advantage of being more easily and immediately verifiable by the other players, not that I think dishonesty in rolling is a huge problem around here. The disadvantage would be from a modding perspective, in that having a separate thread whose sole purpose is contain dice rolls would potentially bloat up the forum with threads containing no discussion. Maybe if there was a sub-forum whose purpose was to contain all those dice-rolling threads under Critical Failures that would be a viable solution. Or pull the PbP threads out into a separate sub-forum so as not to drown actual discussions.

No idea how possible this is but if those threads simply didn't go to the top of the index page on new post it'd solve itself neatly. Players would bookmark the thread for when needed, it's there to go check if you want and it wouldn't bother anybody else.

Edit: Oh and I greatly disagree on the work-flow comment. Posting here in two threads takes much less time than entering a bunch of rolls offsite, hyperlinking them and posting it here. Really the hyperlinking is the greatly improved ease of use. I don't imagine there would be any need to link to specific posts for something like a PbP. I'd just say Geth roll 2d20 for Twin Strike in the dice thread and list out results in the game thread. Everybody already has a link to the roll thread.

If sinking the threads is an issue (Hub seems weird about it, but I recall hearing that's a specific issue with the 'comment' threads), maybe a hidden Dice subforum in CF? OP says "Geth make me a roll thread", Geth makes a threadUID+[Rolls] thread in the hidden forum (if it doesn't exist) and posts the link. Putting it in a separate forum might allow them to auto-purge the inactive threads to help keep it tight.

If you want to be really crazy, how about implementing the ability for threads to have subthreads? That way PbP games could have everything bundled together.

Mr_Rose

Geth roll 1d20+5 for initiative

Geth

/me rolls 1d20(+5) -> 10 (sum:10)

ArbitraryDescriptor

Does it leave a stamp if you ninja edit? I remember that being a thing.

Geth roll "1d20 1d20" for Good guy, Bad guy

Edit: So it does! Just doesn't show until refresh.

Geth

/me rolls 1d20 -> 4 (sum:4), 1d20 -> 15 (sum:15)

Geth

/me rolls 1d20 -> 7 (sum:7), 1d20 -> 13 (sum:13)

Phyphor

ArbitraryDescriptor wrote: »

Does it leave a stamp if you ninja edit? I remember that being a thing.

Geth roll "1d20 1d20" for Good guy, Bad guy

Edit: So it does! Just doesn't show until refresh.

Ninja edits are no longer a thing, sadly