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Pondering this as my new AV. With some chunk of this as my signature.
My dear Wife, Mr. Davies will tell you what's happening here tonight. He's a good man and has done everything he can for me. I suppose there are some other good men here, too, only they don't seem to realize what they're doing. They're the ones I feel sorry for. 'Cause it'll be over for me in a little while, but they'll have to go on remembering for the rest of their lives. A man just naturally can't take the law into his own hands and hang people without hurtin' everybody in the world, 'cause then he's just not breaking one law but all laws. Law is a lot more than words you put in a book, or judges or lawyers or sheriffs you hire to carry it out. It's everything people ever have found out about justice and what's right and wrong. It's the very conscience of humanity. There can't be any such thing as civilization unless people have a conscience, because if people touch God anywhere, where is it except through their conscience? And what is anybody's conscience except a little piece of the conscience of all men that ever lived? I guess that's all I've got to say except kiss the babies for me and God bless you. Your husband, Donald."
LOL we are clearly both watching the same stream
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I was watching him play Blasto yesterday. I haven't watched anything aside from some SGnG attempts tonight
In many areas (say, regular novels) I can understand how taking a lot of artistic licence can be damaging.
But comic books seem to me to be, by the very nature of comic books, made for reinterpretation.
That is, there are approximately a hundred billion different takes in print circulation for virtually every character, with multiple and even contrasting origin stories for quite a few characters. Why is it when the silver screen enters the picture, suddenly we can't treat this as some version of Earth 45465 whatever?
I mean, basically every superhero on Wikipedia has an "Other Versions" tab. Why is it when it is movies suddenly we have to be 100% accurate to some print run? (and then which print run?)
@Jacobkosh
@Thomamales
I feel like you guys would have on hand ready examples where a character has a bunch of different origin stories, in the comic runs, and no one bats an eye.
Or at least have something to say here
I generally ignore it. I may be willing to listen to criticism about violations of the spirit. Like if they did a Superman movie where he was a heartless killing machine, I might listen to that. But small detail shit should be ignored.
not disagreeing that these things do kind of violate the core character, but I am at least being snarky
Part of it comes from the fixation Hollywood has with not changing anything without "rebooting" and re-telling the origin story.
We have passed a McLaren, a fleet of Aston Martin Racing trucks, and somebody's meticulously rally prepped Escort RS2000.
It is a difficult place to be- the desire to tell an interesting story with a set of characters balanced with the need to explain who they are
(Downey's Iron Man, for instance, has kind of become the new default characterization for that character, who in the past was often kind of murkily-characterized (and I say that as a fan, it was the first comic I ever bought).)
It's also just kind of annoying when an element is ported from the comics but changed so much in a game of creative Telephone that the end product leaves me feeling that they'd have done better just doing something original instead. If you want to use the name of say, a villain, but don't care for his powers, his origin, his appearance, his personality, etc etc etc....what on earth made that character the right choice in the first place instead of another, completely different one?
Actual Play: Mage: the Awakening - At the Edge of All Things
I agree that Downey's Iron Man (like Fury's Jackson...wait shit) is the new default. Iron Man/Stark has always been tied for my favorite super (with spider man), so I have been in fan heaven the last few years.
What are some examples where you think films went too far with a character? What about a comic that reinvented someone so much that they would have been better making their own? Are there any?
The thing is it so often isn't necessary. Like, Spiderman has been rebooted with a new origin story film about three times in the last few years.
Everybody knows who Spiderman is. They should just do the Bond thing of telling a Spiderman story without acknowledging changes in actor or whatever.
I hope we get to that level of cultural Zeitgeist with superheros soon
avface
Deadpool is a fantastic example, yeah.
Mandarin is a pretty good one too. I haven't seen IM3 yet but I hear pretty good things. However, fundamentally, what would have been wrong with having that be an original character? Like, what would that not accomplish that calling him "the Mandarin" despite him not being a Chinese guy with laser rings does?
I am talking about this with Ell on steam right now so I will c and p my thoughts on how this happens:
jacobkosh: the mandarin in iron man 3 is a decent example
jacobkosh: like
jacobkosh: you can sort of follow the iterative process
jacobkosh: that led from a chinese dude with laser rings
Elldren: wait
Elldren: he isn't chinese?
jacobkosh: not in the movie
jacobkosh: he is middle eastern terrorist ringleader
Elldren: he doesn't have rings of power?
jacobkosh: no rings
Elldren: :O
Elldren: how
Elldren: is that
Elldren: the Mandarin?
jacobkosh: that is what I'm saying
jacobkosh: it's an iterative process
jacobkosh: all it takes
jacobkosh: is one guy saying
jacobkosh: "well
Elldren: like he just has those TWO ATTRIBUTES
jacobkosh: "we can't have a chinese villain
jacobkosh: "we need to sell this movie in china"
jacobkosh: and someone else goes "well he can't have those rings, aliens are dumb even though they were in the avengers movie last year that made a billion dollars"
jacobkosh: and a third person goes "hey ben kingsley is available for eight weeks in the summer"
jacobkosh: and there you go
jacobkosh: "the mandarin"
jacobkosh: you could not ask for a more effective set of filters to screen out any stray bit of creativity than to stick an idea through the big budget movie sausage machine
jacobkosh: because at each stage everyone just thinks they're "tweaking"
jacobkosh: it never even OCCURS to them
jacobkosh: to just
jacobkosh: do something new
Actual Play: Mage: the Awakening - At the Edge of All Things
I thought this was called Turok
Rhino....wat?
go go go go gooo
IM3 spoilers
Marvel don't really have much option at this point. Once something becomes intertwined with the Avengers it's pretty impractical to reboot it.
I'm hoping this means that the film industry will get over their continuity fixation, and that nerds will relax a bit about how closely film versions of characters match their preferred comic version. It shouldn't be necessary for a film version to be considered definitive with respect to a given character.
#YearOfTheBow
I guess I need to sleep sometime
Goodnight I guess
ttyl jake et allll
You can get by just fine without seeing Avengers
http://www.theveganchickpea.com/2011/12/artichoke-cilantro-soup.html
Artichoke & Cilantro Soup
serves 2-4 depending on portion size
1 tsp olive oil
1 large shallot, chopped
2 cloves of garlic, minced
sea salt
1 14 oz can fire roasted diced tomatoes
1 14 oz can of artichoke hearts, packed in water, drained and halved
3 cups vegetable broth
4 cups of fresh cilantro, chopped
In a medium soup pot over medium heat, saute shallots and garlic in olive oil until fragrant and lightly browned, salting as desired. Add in the tomatoes, vegetable broth, and artichokes, stir, and bring to boil. Reduce to low and add in cilantro. Allow soup to simmer for about 5 minutes. Remove from heat and serve!