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that is sort of my point? anyone who isn't
1) a 63 year old evangelical
2) a smarmy hillel kid
3) a religious extremist
will say there is some deplorable shit going on in the Territories
but that is not any sort of comprehensive consensus from which one can leap to 'you can't possibly support israel can you'
granular terms are necessary
@Icyliquid
I would like to be able to query Geth about someone's sarcasm level and have him report back a number.
I don't really care what that number is or where it falls on a particular scale.
Geth, check sarcasm level of @Abdhyius
SARCASM LEVEL CURRENTLY 8.935 AND FALLING.
See, I don't think you're actually reading anything I'm saying.
I'm not defending America. I'm saying using bullshit statistics is bullshit and let's fucking quit it.
There was a time, not long ago, when I had to write a horrible essay all night and you were like well 'Imma go get drunk and have sex with sexy ladies.' and I was all BUT I WANT THAT!
Yeah, that's the Netflix way! It kind of takes some of the fun out of watching a show every week and talking about it with your friends at work/school the day after, but at least you can enjoy them at your own pace.
yeah but you're usually just this vague and deflecting when it comes to your feelings on the matter :P
the criteria I am talking about here is the criteria of "good for me, doesn't hurt anybody else"
if a Christian, for example, operates the practice of their faith and the profession of their beliefs based on that... I don't have any problem with them and they can do as they please.
If a person can't help but run afoul of that very simplistic, consequentialist criteria then no
i don't have a great deal of tolerance for it
if a person's beliefs hinge on fucking other people over and doesn't really pay heed to what benefit it's actually bringing to their life
i have a problem with that
i think that's reasonable, personally
it's one of those "your right to swing your arm ends where my face begins" type things
I must agree. Although it made me very excited all the same, glad to see so many of the old favorites are returning.
okay I'll grant you this then.
I'd support Israel wholeheartedly if they actually gave a shit about the Palestinians and stopped with the bullshit settlements. But I know full well, as much as a person who has not been there can possibly know short of going there, that it's vastly more complicated and that, in this case, both sides are very much at fault here, even with the Israelis holding the upper hand. And I know the peace process is essentially dying and that ultimately it's going to be either ethnic genocide or a very big turnaround in Israeli politics that will be needed before anything changes.
It's the world's biggest shit sandwich.
why are you being rude?
i have directly criticized israel. i have made threads about israel, criticizing things about it.
i don't know why you think it's ok to say this about something that is obviously emotionally important to me.
i don't think there's a significant difference between 'we're the worst' and 'we are among the worst of the worst' in this situation
it's still true that we have the highest documented rate of incarceration, which means, as you said, we have the highest rate among countries that dont lie
which is pretty much being the worst. at least to me.
I sorta agree
kinda
ish
This is probably a good indication that you are still human, yes
I don't know what you think I said, here.
You want to say live and let live, but there's always that nagging sense of judgment that you get where you can picture one day there being a kid of one of these Christians who decides living that way in harmony with others outside the faith isn't good enough anymore and it's convert or die time.
There's always at least one who will ruin it for everyone.
And I thought that was a ridiculous way for things to be! That seems fundamentally dysfunctional and fuck humanity I'm going to watch anime and drink whiskey.
We're going to drink vodka and probably watch the entire season in one sitting
I will make banner
It will be amazing
I'm not disagreeing that America is awful in that aspect (as well as many others).
I've been pretty explicit about the fact that I'm criticizing the statistic, not the idea that the US has a shitty justice system.
is this a language barrier?
i said 'i don't think it's that simple, you can't just reduce everything to easy terms. israel has done some bad things, but if you want to talk about whether one 'supports' israel you need to be more specific'
to which you responded 'yeah but you're usually just vague and deflecting'
does this not imply, to you, some level of disingenuousness on my part? lack of integrity when it comes to this issue? intellectual avoidance, cowardice?
i dunno. if you meant something else i can't figure out what it might have been
If not, what is the dental plan like for butler cadets?
yeah and the bit I disagree on is that like, if I believed, then I either would believe that my belief was the one and absolute truth, or, it wouldn't be belief
lolwut
you did this very badly
whatever you said came off more like "yeah but u never talk about this even when other people want to, how legitimate can your position be"
I like to joke that I am not though, often. It's a leftover from my childhood where my autistic inability to relate to others and their feelings in any meaningful manner led my young mind to the logical conclusion that I am a not human stuck in a human body for reasons. And it's kind of stuck and reflects in a lot of my writing and art.
I look at myself as just an entity, and the body I have today is just a transitory identity, separate from the real one I have either created for myself since my earliest memory, or that I have assumed again from ages beyond counting and will know again while in some new form in the future after death.
it means that I don't really know anything about your position here, other than the fact that you're not very heavily to one side
since that's... all you said.
the implications can come into play after the obvious meaning.
We can kinda already do this, yes?
Geth roll 1d10.
Edit: Weak, I stand corrected
There's no real information about how or even if she did take her life just rumors from 4chan no official news report or anything. I mean I am guessing she did but have no confirmation from any valid source b
Whether that's suicide, addiction, or any other behavior that the rest of us see as self-harming.
We don't have a right to demand they not do that. It's foolish to make a law about it or something.
But I think we have, instead, a potential to dissuade people from being their own worst enemy. Whether it's trying to intervene as a group when one of your friends is losing themselves to substance abuse, being there to support someone as they struggle to break away from an abusive relationship, making the hard decision to cast a harsh mirror on someone's self-destruction and being the one to confront them about it.
Well it work always? Of course not. And just because you think you should do it, does that de facto make it the right call? Nope, not really. But if you see someone ripping themselves apart by their own choices, viewpoints, beliefs, or mindsets, and you give a shit about them, then at the very least you should try to help them in the best way you can come to know. It might mean a good bit of research and effort on your part to do it the right way, and even if you mean the best in the world you might still be in the wrong. But in lieu of evidence to suggest you are wrong for doing so, you should go with your own empathy and compassion to help a person until it's clear they simply rebuke your help and wrong or right, will not accept it.
I take this attitude to people doing most things I don't think are right that they are doing, especially when the person they're really doing it to is themselves. I'm there if I care till I feel it's wrong to be. Till I feel it's not helping.
However, when it comes to matters of personal philosophy or faith or deeper worldview, rare is it that a person has a fully formed system that they self-identify by that I find so onerous that I can only reasonably determine is hurting themselves or others. Instead, that sort of thing tends to be the province of the mentally ill, the abused, the misanthropic, the hurt and hatefilled and embittered. And when I look at folks like that, all I can see is people who need help. Doesn't mean I'm the person to help them. Maybe nobody is. But if you don't go through life even considering whether or not you should try, then man
i just don't know
ok then yes this means we use language very differently, because i'd only say that if i was telling someone basically "you never commit on this issue- you're dishonest or lack conviction". deflecting is a pretty negative word in my vocabulary.
but it's whatever, if you say it is a misunderstanding that is fine with me and i ain't even mad
*slams shot of mountain dew*