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It's a roleplaying game where you roll a bunch of dice and generate a maid or butler to use as your character
I got SOTAR to roll up one the other day
it's pretty great
okay. That wasn't what I was saying.
I was commentating on the fact that chu tends to answer "being all gung ho rah rah settlements is bad, but so is being all israel is the devil" which isn't a very specific kind of statement
Which I have also found is a hard sell for a religion because it goes against what a religion intrinsically is, belief wise; you want to show others the truth, the way to live. How do you do that if you don't spread the word? It's an interesting theme to explore in art.
Well that makes more sense that SoTAR getting an after school recruiter job. Thanks
yes, the "dishonest or lack conviction" thing is not to be read into it.
If you give me a roll of 50d6 I can make you into a butler, Kalks
join us
but this one is just plain creepy
when the indigo children come
this isn't directed at anyone in particular because anyone in this thread that is 'religious' almost certainly doesn't infringe their religious beliefs on other people. I don't really comment on it much, I don't like smug atheists either. but I feel like most complaints are about atheists being rude and saying (often terribly) mean things. but whereas the fundamentally religious erode legal rights, limit the access of healthcare by young people and women, and generally make life as theocratic as humanly possible - like many legislations are doing on a state and local level in the united states, like abortion being almost or defacto outlawed in certain parts of the country.
so, that's why i think smug atheists are so confrontational, even when your beliefs are just some internal thing you think about. i mean r/atheism is a reddit thing, where as the most vocal representations of religion are trying to make it so teenagers need to get parental consent to get birth control
but it still sucks if someone is a dick to you for something you just think about in your head. but I can see why they're a dick in the first place. i don't know. thats why i don't bring it up usually.
What the law against suicide does is allow me to legally physically drag you away from the edge of the roof. Which isn't foolish, merely practical.
That it even could have happened (ie. this person's apparent life situation) is pretty disheartening.
I liked the last two more; this new girl is kind of spaghetti like and is only redeemed by the fucking turtles.
yeah. i mean, it is super easy to poke fun at the self-righteous teenagers but if the worst thing they're doing is being dicks on the internet i think the world will go on. people are out there fighting for gay rights and separation of church and state and scientifically supported, well reasoned education. if bratty 19 year olds who are the weird, snarky offshoot of serious activist movements are the price of that... i'm not exactly glad but i am relieved. they aren't making christian kids hang themselves until dead.
A camera.
Turtle fucking is creepy in and of itself
also kind of hilarious
when the indigo children come
Or I am just very behind the times
But the turtles make your brain immediately jump to other conclusions
when the indigo children come
In this world maybe, but there are more Wonders in Wonderland then can be written of in your childhood fantasy books, Alice.
This can apparently all be done in-forum now. I just can't get it to work
The way I see it, a person doesn't need to believe what I believe to conduct themselves in accordance with the principles I believe important.
The reason they conducted themselves in such a way is of lesser (if any) importance to me when compared to the consequences of their conduct.
By skillful means, by a practice in care and concern, a person can come to the same values I come to from a different fundamental ideology and I care not one bit about that
The consequences matter. The results matter. The means are the means. The means only matter insofar as what becomes of them. This isn't saying throw caution to the wind, that the ends justify the means, but that the drive behind the means matter less than the means themselves, and the means themselves matter less than the result so long as the means and the result are things I think are right.
So I don't need to "spread the word" of my faith. It's unimportant to anyone but me. However, the values I hold, the results of those beliefs, I think are secular results that people of many religions could arrive at, and do not in and of themselves require a religion at all to arrive at either.
So, those I spread. Those I extol, even if I don't pull back the curtain and explain to anyone why I believe these things or how I come to believe in them. I think they have enough value on their own to stand under their own light, so I put them out there and people make of them what they do, and that is all they need to know to accept them or not accept them.
If I have to quote my faith at you, if I have to explain the underpinnings of my religious beliefs and how they led me to this conclusion, in order to persuade you to view the underlying ethic or notion positive? Then I am failing to represent those virtues as the virtues I truly believe they are. I am failing you, and I'm failing myself.
I don't necessarily apply this same standard to others, but I certainly don't find their arguments as palatable if they crutch about on their faith as an argument in and of itself.
To me, that smacks of "This is good because I like it" instead of trying to argue an independent merit, and anything a person believes strongly is good both for themselves and others should be able to stand on its own merits.
or maybe I'm underthinking it
when the indigo children come
This is a fair take on "militant" atheism. I would just add that, at least in the U.S., that religious iconography is so ultra-prevalent and normal that when we hear or see the opposite in frankly nowhere near the same proportion, that it's just really jarring because it's so rare. It's a similar situation in the Middle East for instance. When I was in Amman, it was made very clear that Islam is definitive of the entire culture. Even Jordanian Christians greet each other with "Salaam" or "Assalaam-u-'alaikum"; while neither of those phrases ("peace" and "peace be upon you") is intrinsically Islamic, it has an iconically Islamic connotation basically everywhere.
Geth, roll 1d6
on the other hand, from my own experience I deal with religious fundamentalism and religious sorts being shitbags towards me on stated account of their religion pretty rarely!
but r/atheists?
dime a fuckin' dozen on the internet I go to, bro
that's my problem there.
Which chapters got Jesus in them?
Ok, so Geth hates me.
Geth, roll 1d10 for Hate
Edit: Goddammit
The slightly less horrible ones.
Which is something we should strive to avoid people doing. Not just through dissuasion but from tackling them so they don't swallow the pills kind of deal. We
what kind of independent merit does those virtues have
independent from well, reality as it is. Which is there the faith comes in
I don't see how one can just go, these are good things, now I'll adjust my view of the world to fit that?
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I actually prefer the Old Testament myself; more entertaining.
i'd rather have people say mean things to me than be legally inferior
but now I get both!
Do not hurt yourself. I would be sad to see you go.
You are a good man evilbob. Or to use an earlier affirmation, a good church.
Nah forgot to take medication yesterday day.
You shouldn't do meth, for example.
Meth's bad, m'kay.
I can create what I feel is a pretty persuasive anti-meth argument (it consists largely of Lindsey Lohan pictures) without getting into say
my religious beliefs regarding drug abuse
that is unimportant
My argument to you isn't reliant on it
the argument has it's own independent merit
that I have my own reasoning atop that is neither necessary nor important for you to understand
if I feel you benefit as I benefit from sharing in being anti-meth, I should either be able to make that argument without relying on my faith
or I shouldn't be making the argument to you at all
Nah I'd be more likely to go get shitfaced to stop thinking about it and gamble all my money away while drunk or something.