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Don't list games. Make people pick two preferred roles and one which they'd rather not play. The system then colour codes people when they join a lobby in such a way as to try and get everyone a preferred role and not a no play role.
However you can still ignore the colours if you want.
Also Nidalee support terrifies me, it's not really that good in the first place and like half of them think support means 'build full AP' for some reason. Darius support is legit in a 'I kill your lane and snowball at level 6' kinda way.
That's what it boils down to, though. Any sort of "dibs" is basically bullshit, the fact that they're coming out in favor of any one speaks more to the problem of the pretty-rigid Mid-Top-ADC-Jungle-Support roles. In a perfect world I'd prefer they loosen that up rather than say "this is the 'most legit' way to call dibs", but I can see a million scenarios where that would destabilize a ton of other stuff in the game that's vital to the community's health, so I'm not exactly surprised.
I know people that have learned to heal so they can get shorter queues.
I would not shed a tear if people learned to play support to get shorter queues.
I would shed a tear if people quit, though. That's never good.
It's a smart idea, but I am not 100% sure that it works. If tribunal cases are any indication, when someone reports their teammate for playing badly, they often report "intentional feeding" instead of "unskilled player."
It must trim some fat though. I know I've gotten reported for being unskilled before and I've never wound up in the tribunal yet.
Also the thing that irks me about maining support is that I get stuck there. Like, I enjoy bot lane but unless I'm playing with friends that's all I play which leaves me with about 10-15 characters to play. I wish there was some magical button that just read 'played support the last five games' and immediately slapped my team into letting me get to screw around mid for once.
Plus people learning to support already happens. It's mainly how I fell into the role, I was fed up of wrestling to get to play characters I liked so I just started maining support.
Any encouragement is welcome, but yes, this is how I learned to play Sona.
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I feel like this is literally not possible to do in League outside of Coop vs. AI.
Not just in that people will rage at you all game long, but also that the balance is tuned so specifically to the 5 "roles", it's exceedingly difficult to win against a team that fills all the roles competently if your team is not also doing so.
I would love to do some statistics gathering to verify it. =P
I mean, that's why you get friends to queue up with you
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I don't. =P
Edit: Will you be my only friend, Geth?
I always assumed it was sort of a joke option to weed out pointless reports.
The idea that the support is solely responsible for buying wards is dumb. Even LoL has said it's dumb and that someone playing support shouldn't be required to buy all the wards.
But that meta game is coming almost entirely from players that think the way to be a good player is to just copy what the high elo players usually do. That's not LoL's fault.
Let's be honest, LoL designs champs to fill between one and max three roles in the meta. They assume the meta. They actively encourage the meta, because that's what its eSports efforts are based on. And those are good things! They have some negative consequences for lower-level play, and I would be an idiot to suggest that they should abandon catering to high level play in favor of lower level play, because there's a lot of high-profile gains to be made from supporting eSports.
But it's not like the meta is some ephemeral thing made up by people who don't know any better. It's part of the way they design.
Considering how often they attempt to fix top lane, I'm not sure they're married to the meta. And eSports doesn't need a meta to be engaging. Part of the fun is seeing new things. Hell, part of high ELO meta right now is to flip top and bottom to counter high-sustain solo champs. It's not a super-rigid meta.
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The cost can be diffused through the whole team. Not just one or two players that happen to be playing a certain role.
IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN
Smite might even be worse thanks to the itemization limiting the game to three roles (Mage, Tank, Carry). There's really no such thing as "support" classes since even an Aphrodite can get a lot of kills with her kit if she builds for it. I think the emphasis on skill shots and movement is what keeps the game interesting as a spectator sport.
yeah but it definitely can't in laning phase
the reason buying a sightstone and wards falls on a support in laning phase is so that the carry can focus on getting the items that they're going to need for late-game and can farm towards those items
obviously the entire game this isn't the support's job but in laning phase warding the lane defs should be falling on the support and it is 100% legit to be frustrated when that doesn't happen
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that's a crappy video of it, try this one
If your smart everyone just wards their own lane because it cost the support a lot of time to ward top/far side of mid. And the junglerer should have wards at the enemy camps
I don't think it needs it, but I think their design has centered around it since pretty much day one, or if not that, then at least well into the first season. That's kind of why I'm grumpy, because the meta game pretty much favors teh hardcores over new players, and I think that's generally a bad design choice.
Anyway, I wouldn't exactly call repositioning characters of a given role a "flexible" meta game. The components are all still there; the fact that you rotate into top lane to adapt to a particular champion isn't even really part of the meta game, it's situational based on who's in top.
yeah but that would require playing dota
really glad to see you're making videos again
sometimes hecarim cannot move
for the rest of the game
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it is not as cool as the Varus bugsplats all 5 of the enemy team bug right now
e: wherein varus is visible to you and autoattack the dragon but the dragon is in fog of war so it looks like he's standing still and then whatever team doesn't kill the dragon gets smooshed all at once
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That is fantastic.
In fairness, they talk about how the whole strat is basically a counter-pick, but your point is still well taken.
The video TDOT linked ranking Apollo's 25-dodge string as #1 play of the week seems to bear that out.
It takes a number of reports to trigger a tribunal. When I flip through five games, it usually paints a pretty clear picture of whether someone feeds or is just bad. I think there have been two cases so far where it wasn't clear, and in both cases the person managed to spam "noobs" or call someone a slur against gay folks, so I had no qualms about clicking punish.
And I think I honestly prefer how Smite does their champs. None of this "oh hey your ratios are garbage so even if you build some damage you don't get any return from it ololololol". All characters still seem to scale fine with gold, so there isn't going to be a dedicated "support" champ. They're mages that happen to have some support abilities, or a tank first and foremost that can also do some support, etc.
Granted, I sometimes wonder how many people in Smite actually know that wards exist in it. Especially since they don't take up a normal inventory slot.
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