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  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    i'd play co-op saints row

    but i have it on the box
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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    On the subject of the OU my tutorial today led me to an interesting observation on the subject of intuitive vs technical mathematicians. Here I'm defining intuitive mathematicians as those who first try to figure out the shape of a solution or a proof in its broad strokes, and then fill in the details, and technical mathematicians as those whose first instinct is to pick a line of manipulation and then push down it without a clear end goal in order to see if they can bash whatever they have into the desired shape.

    Basically the observation is that the former have beards, and the latter do not.

    Admittedly this is based on a sample size of eight, including the lecturer.
  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
  • SanderJKSanderJK Crocodylus Pontifex Sinterklasicus Madrid, 3000 ADRegistered User regular
    The news that Neverwinter moved respeccing to 'pay via cash-shop only' just before closed beta turned open has basically turned me away before it even started.
    I'm not going to play an MMO where you have to pay $10 or whatever to change your characters abilities.
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  • ShivahnShivahn Registered User regular
    Elendil wrote: »
    i'd play co-op saints row

    but i have it on the box

    I have it on PS3.

    Also PC, whee THQ >.>
  • MazzyxMazzyx Changing the World Order. Registered User regular
    SanderJK wrote: »
    The news that Neverwinter moved respeccing to 'pay via cash-shop only' just before closed beta turned open has basically turned me away before it even started.
    I'm not going to play an MMO where you have to pay $10 or whatever to change your characters abilities.

    Actually that was planned from the get go.

    All the Cryptic/PW f2p games are like that. STO and Champions as well.
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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    ronya wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    @ronya

    is there a decent primer out there for a person looking to learn about economics?

    There are ebooks of Keynes' General Theory and The Road to Serfdom, and there's always Wealth of Nations but I suspect they may be more along the lines of academically interesting classic works than something for an amateur to plunge into.

    Wealth of Nations is very readable, actually.

    I'm also very fond of Thorstein Veblen's Theory of the Leisure Class.

    I've noticed that a lot of scholarly works of that era are.

    I think it comes from the fact that many of the people writing them were assuming an audience that was educated, but not necessarily a subject specialist.

    cosma shalizi observed that krugman's pop econ writings have a generic flavour of just smacking stupid theories with five-minute look at data. Over and over again.

    the sophistication that audiences expect has rather declined, perhaps.

    Probably. The writer of the 18th and 19th Century had to manage the trick of remaining comprehensible to a non-specialist (but educated) reader while also ensuring the book is a worthwhile scholarly work in its own right. Whereas now an academic work can assume a subject specific academic audience the pop sci stuff only has to appeal to a lay audience (and arguably the "lower" it can be pitched, the better).

    Some of this is likely counting the hits and ignoring the misses, though. In the same way everybody ignores the vast quantity of awful 60s music.
  • spacekungfumanspacekungfuman Poor and minority-filled Registered User regular
    Oh, I'm well past where the show was good. I'm just trying to decide if I slog through the last pile of shit at the end, or cut my losses.


    "There are no necessary evils in government. Its evils exist only in its abuses. If it would confine itself to equal protection, and, as Heaven does its rains, shower its favors alike on the high and the low, the rich and the poor, it would be an unqualified blessing." -- Andrew Jackson
    SKFM annoys me the most on this board.
  • CindersCinders Registered User regular
  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    Oh, I'm well past where the show was good. I'm just trying to decide if I slog through the last pile of shit at the end, or cut my losses.

    ... why would you waste time watching a show you don't enjoy anymore? GO OUT AND GET SOME FRESH AIR!
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  • ronyaronya hmmm over there!Registered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    keynes did not think that the market merely took a long time to equilibrate. he did not think it equilibrated at all! This is a crucial issue in whether, e.g., partial steps toward market adjustment would help.

    And then Friedman went balls crazy the other way.

    But also introduced falsifiable hypothesis as the basis. Which is good. But then he also screwed up by saying do the falsifiable hypothesis just don't look at the man behind the curtain aka the assumptions. Because those shouldn't be held to the same standard if the hypothesis part works.

    And then North came along and said fuck that your assumptions must hold up to both modern and historical scrutiny.

    I like North.

    Friedman's Methodology is over-emphasized; it doesn't reflect how economics works at all. It is no longer thought, as Friedman did, that competitive selection is guaranteed to approximate optimal choice. Rather the motivation is that if we fling back the curtain, we see ten thousand alleged puppeteers. And our mathematical tools are bluntly not good enough to identify which one. Going by numerical simulation favours the orthodoxy but doesn't guarantee it, which isn't good enough because we don't even have the tools to give a sensible judgment over how much this translates to a probability of correctness.

    At some point, almost certainly within my lifetime, some bright graduate student who majored in solid-state physics will stroll over and give economics an actual microfoundation.
  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Do dooo do do do
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    Do dooo do do do
    Do do do
    Do do do
    Do do do do do chargin' mah attack
    Quid on
  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    I have no choice, I have to use my last technique.

    "FULL NELSON"
  • ronyaronya hmmm over there!Registered User regular
    Economics right now is at a stage where it is more effective at slapping down amateur reasoning than offering a rigidly precise model of human material exchange.
  • MazzyxMazzyx Changing the World Order. Registered User regular
    ronya wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    keynes did not think that the market merely took a long time to equilibrate. he did not think it equilibrated at all! This is a crucial issue in whether, e.g., partial steps toward market adjustment would help.

    And then Friedman went balls crazy the other way.

    But also introduced falsifiable hypothesis as the basis. Which is good. But then he also screwed up by saying do the falsifiable hypothesis just don't look at the man behind the curtain aka the assumptions. Because those shouldn't be held to the same standard if the hypothesis part works.

    And then North came along and said fuck that your assumptions must hold up to both modern and historical scrutiny.

    I like North.

    Friedman's Methodology is over-emphasized; it doesn't reflect how economics works at all. It is no longer thought, as Friedman did, that competitive selection is guaranteed to approximate optimal choice. Rather the motivation is that if we fling back the curtain, we see ten thousand alleged puppeteers. And our mathematical tools are bluntly not good enough to identify which one. Going by numerical simulation favours the orthodoxy but doesn't guarantee it, which isn't good enough because we don't even have the tools to give a sensible judgment over how much this translates to a probability of correctness.

    At some point, almost certainly within my lifetime, some bright graduate student who majored in solid-state physics will stroll over and give economics an actual microfoundation.

    Friedman had the right idea.

    But as you said he took it to far and it stopped reflecting reality.

    Which is why I brought up North. Because he said what you are saying. :P

    Of course there is a good chance that physics student will create another mess do to forgetting the unpredictability of human action since it is such a fun mix of confounding variables. But he might get it right.

    I think those lovely numerical simulations are important but still think putting too much emphasis on it till we reach a point we can account for the majority of those confounding variables and how they interact means it will always be meh.

    We are not quiet to psychohistory yet.

    Also you should read some stuff on futures, shit is crazy awesome.
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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    ronya wrote: »
    Economics right now is at a stage where it is more effective at slapping down amateur reasoning than offering a rigidly precise model of human material exchange.

    "I don't understand how any country could collect debts owed by America. We have all the best guns and battleships and whatnot."
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  • MazzyxMazzyx Changing the World Order. Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    Economics right now is at a stage where it is more effective at slapping down amateur reasoning than offering a rigidly precise model of human material exchange.

    "I don't understand how any country could collect debts owed by America. We have all the best guns and battleships and whatnot."

    *turns red*

    That isn't how national debt works.
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  • TTODewbackTTODewback Pink haired tyrant On my throne of forum faces.Registered User regular
    This is probably the best piece of art I've ever seen.
    Psycho by William Wegman
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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    Economics right now is at a stage where it is more effective at slapping down amateur reasoning than offering a rigidly precise model of human material exchange.

    "I don't understand how any country could collect debts owed by America. We have all the best guns and battleships and whatnot."

    *turns red*

    That isn't how national debt works.

    "It's not like China can invade Fort Knox and get their money back. We have nukes. We can just tell them to get lost."
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  • ronyaronya hmmm over there!Registered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    keynes did not think that the market merely took a long time to equilibrate. he did not think it equilibrated at all! This is a crucial issue in whether, e.g., partial steps toward market adjustment would help.

    And then Friedman went balls crazy the other way.

    But also introduced falsifiable hypothesis as the basis. Which is good. But then he also screwed up by saying do the falsifiable hypothesis just don't look at the man behind the curtain aka the assumptions. Because those shouldn't be held to the same standard if the hypothesis part works.

    And then North came along and said fuck that your assumptions must hold up to both modern and historical scrutiny.

    I like North.

    Friedman's Methodology is over-emphasized; it doesn't reflect how economics works at all. It is no longer thought, as Friedman did, that competitive selection is guaranteed to approximate optimal choice. Rather the motivation is that if we fling back the curtain, we see ten thousand alleged puppeteers. And our mathematical tools are bluntly not good enough to identify which one. Going by numerical simulation favours the orthodoxy but doesn't guarantee it, which isn't good enough because we don't even have the tools to give a sensible judgment over how much this translates to a probability of correctness.

    At some point, almost certainly within my lifetime, some bright graduate student who majored in solid-state physics will stroll over and give economics an actual microfoundation.

    Friedman had the right idea.

    But as you said he took it to far and it stopped reflecting reality.

    Which is why I brought up North. Because he said what you are saying. :P

    Of course there is a good chance that physics student will create another mess do to forgetting the unpredictability of human action since it is such a fun mix of confounding variables. But he might get it right.

    I think those lovely numerical simulations are important but still think putting too much emphasis on it till we reach a point we can account for the majority of those confounding variables and how they interact means it will always be meh.

    We are not quiet to psychohistory yet.

    Also you should read some stuff on futures, shit is crazy awesome.

    I think we are well past the point where we are still unsure whether there is some systematic aggregate phenomena going here, aggregates that are far more entrenched that human variability. No: people in the aggregate do behave in given fashions. What we lack are theories that do well enough outside local linear approximations for us to start pinning down more and more empirics. We only need to lock down the second and third order, any higher degrees are useless in the long run anyway.
  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    That image doesn't zoom at all.
  • TTODewbackTTODewback Pink haired tyrant On my throne of forum faces.Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    That image doesn't zoom at all.

    Keep clicking.
    It will work eventually.
    :rotate:
  • MortiousMortious Move to New Zealand Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    SanderJK wrote: »
    The news that Neverwinter moved respeccing to 'pay via cash-shop only' just before closed beta turned open has basically turned me away before it even started.
    I'm not going to play an MMO where you have to pay $10 or whatever to change your characters abilities.

    Actually that was planned from the get go.

    All the Cryptic/PW f2p games are like that. STO and Champions as well.

    From what I've seen, they also implementing the ingame currency to zen conversions.

    So while it takes time, it can be done for free. (also it should be $5)
  • ThomamelasThomamelas Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    desc Elldren Thomamelas Powerpuppies

    I'm hanging out with some of my bros and Justin is running a new core NWoD game where we're supernatural investigators.

    I have rolled up a two-fisted truck driver who's not sure about this whole occult business. He drives a truck called the Turbo T-Bone and his skill specialty for Subterfuge is "Fake Handyman."

    Good lord.
    There's no living with a killing. There's no goin' back from one. Right or wrong, it's a brand... a brand sticks. There's no goin' back. Now you run on home to your mother and tell her... tell her everything's alright. And there aren't any more guns in the valley.
  • spacekungfumanspacekungfuman Poor and minority-filled Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Oh, I'm well past where the show was good. I'm just trying to decide if I slog through the last pile of shit at the end, or cut my losses.

    ... why would you waste time watching a show you don't enjoy anymore? GO OUT AND GET SOME FRESH AIR!

    Because its so close to over and I kind of want to see how it ends, but I don't really care that much. . .

    Kind of like 30 rock. I didn't watch the last half of the last season. I also never watched the last episode of the Sopranos.


    "There are no necessary evils in government. Its evils exist only in its abuses. If it would confine itself to equal protection, and, as Heaven does its rains, shower its favors alike on the high and the low, the rich and the poor, it would be an unqualified blessing." -- Andrew Jackson
    SKFM annoys me the most on this board.
  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    I was just glancing through the Far Side Gallery 4 and came across one captioned "hopeful parents". The titular parents are watching their child play a video game (presumably SMB); in their shared thought-bubble is a newspaper printed on "Sept 2, 2005", with help-wanted ads for "professional gamers".

    The actual ads are pretty stupid - "can you rescue the princess?!" SMB-era nonsense - but the date is only a few years before e-Sports really became a "thing" in the public eye.

    the comic was printed between '85 and '90, according to the copyright page.
    Tamin on
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    The Neverwinter website is saying that someone already used my email address. I'm pretty sure that isn't true at all.
  • MortiousMortious Move to New Zealand Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    The Neverwinter website is saying that someone already used my email address. I'm pretty sure that isn't true at all.

    It's linked to your cryptic account/perfect world account.

    So if you've tried STO, CO, any of their other games you already have an account.
  • P10P10 Registered User regular
    did you make an account for another cryptic game? like sto?
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    P10 wrote: »
    did you make an account for another cryptic game? like sto?

    I think I may have made an account for STO but never used it.
  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. Risk is our business.Registered User regular
    Awesome Game of Thrones/Star Wars mash-up.

    Season One Spoilers for GoT :
    Seriously this is a pretty big plot point and if you don't want to lose your head over it don't click
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  • bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Registered User regular
    So I need peoples names for neverwinter to add to my friends list.
  • CindersCinders Registered User regular
    Did you go to that transgender panel, Lud?
  • ronyaronya hmmm over there!Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Sometimes I wonder whether Star Wars would be worse if it took itself more seriously.

    Is there a Laffer curve for the optimal amount of Jar Jar Binks?
    ronya on
  • tyrannustyrannus Registered User regular
    man

    i was dickin around and talkin about learning statistics

    and my friend said "classes are useless compared to on the job experience buddy"

    and I actually felt a little offended
  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Registered User regular
    Doot doot @Japan finally caved and grabbed System Shock 2

    I already forgot everything you told me about it

    But do I need to know anything from SS1?
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  • LudiousLudious Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Cinders wrote: »
    Did you go to that transgender panel, Lud?

    Dude. That was a mixup. That did happen..in march. People at work work were telling me CoastCon was today. They confused that with Free Comic Book Day. totally different. I missed the Con. It seems like it is usually the weekend of Free Comic Book Day, so people were probably all confused since they had it early this year. So no, unfortunately. But if they are doing stuff like that at CoastCon, you better believe I'll be there next year
    Ludious on
    Google Talk: ludious83 My Blog: The Caustic Geek
  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
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  • OrganichuOrganichu Registered User regular
    ludious do you truly like mlp
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