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  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    japan wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    You want to do something uplifting for all mankind? We could end poverty. We have the resources and the technology to eliminate extreme poverty for the entire world. Not a single human being would lack shelter, food, or clean water due to inability to pay.

    Interestingly this would also be a far more effective means of going about the "war on terror".

    It's harder to radicalise people that aren't desperate in the first place. Not impossible, but harder.

    but then we'd be giving money to turrorists

    it's amazing how many people out there would rather spend 10x the money hurting people than helping them, because the latter violates some perverse sense of justice.
    I am comforted by Richard Dawkins’ theory of memes. Those are mental units: thoughts, ideas, gestures, notions, songs, beliefs, rhymes, ideals, teachings, sayings, phrases, clichés that move from mind to mind as genes move from body to body. After a lifetime of writing, teaching, broadcasting and telling too many jokes, I will leave behind more memes than many. They will all also eventually die, but so it goes. - Roger Ebert, I Do Not Fear Death
  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong and a cast of thousands Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Um defense technology is a vital industry how else are we going to defend ourselves Jeez William!

    i'm not totally against it. besides it being my paycheck, there have been a lot of advancements that are really important.

    drones, for instance, have saved countless lives and saved billions of dollars.

    on the other hand, the jsf, the osprey, etc.

    THE OSPREY IS THE GREATEST YOU SHUT YOUR GODDAMNED MOUTH IT IS A RECRUITMENT TOOL AND ALSO AWESOME

    yeah i kind of reflexively wanted to defend it too

    but damn

    it really hasn't worked out that well

    It's a horrendous waste of money that could never possibly justify its cost in combat.

    But but but VTOL swivel wings! It's the coolest toy ever. The fact that a bunch of people have died making it only proves just how cool it is.
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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo Tough on mime. Tough on the causes of mime Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    You think space travel should be private enterprise instead of publicly funded, will?

    I would have no problem with that if it were a workable model, but how are they going to make money?

    they probably won't

    because space exploration is a pointless hobby

    Why?

    because the only real historical benefits of sending people into space are spinoff technologies that you could get from doing less-expensive research into something actually useful.

    i am all for government investment into science and technology, but believe that space is one of the worst, least efficient and most pointless ways to spend that investment.

    defense technologies are a close second.

    science and technology aren't strictly speaking the same thing!

    astronomy is still a good thing to spend money on, the technology from it is just a bonus

    There's a problem of finite resources.

    If we had infinite resources to spend, putting a few billion dollars in space flight would be trivial. Hell, they could take a few trillion, the greedy bastards. I'm guessing Will would agree, not to put words in his mouth.

    But we don't have infinite resources, so we need to worry about where they'd best go. Doing prestige things like landing a guy on the moon or working to land a guy on Mars are cool, but are they necessarily the best use of our finite resources?

    working out a way to land a guy on mars and landing a guy on mars are different projects and the first thing isn't a half-bad way to spend resources.

    anyway, for science! is a good reason a lot of the time.

    besides, it's pocket change compared to say, your defense spending. Most of which isn't developing any tech or doing any science at all.

    but

    there is literally no actual scientific value to landing a guy on mars

    like

    it doesn't actually answer any questions except the ones that might pop up in trying to implement it, and those will almost entirely be engineering questions.
    It answers lots of questions!

    Right now we have to build rovers with small sets of tools to do very specific things. If we can just pop a guy down there he can find out all kinds of stuff.
  • GooeyGooey Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Um defense technology is a vital industry how else are we going to defend ourselves Jeez William!

    i'm not totally against it. besides it being my paycheck, there have been a lot of advancements that are really important.

    drones, for instance, have saved countless lives and saved billions of dollars.

    on the other hand, the jsf, the osprey, etc.

    THE OSPREY IS THE GREATEST YOU SHUT YOUR GODDAMNED MOUTH IT IS A RECRUITMENT TOOL AND ALSO AWESOME

    yeah i kind of reflexively wanted to defend it too

    but damn

    it really hasn't worked out that well

    It's a horrendous waste of money that could never possibly justify its cost in combat.

    But but but VTOL swivel wings! It's the coolest toy ever. The fact that a bunch of people have died making it only proves just how cool it is.

    marines are just dying to get a ride in an osprey
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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    because the only real historical benefits of sending people into space are spinoff technologies that you could get from doing less-expensive research into something actually useful.

    i am all for government investment into science and technology, but believe that space is one of the worst, least efficient and most pointless ways to spend that investment.

    I agree with this so hard.

    At least, for manned space flight in particular.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2HzHSeV9v8

    Ugh. Ugh. Fuck this speech.

    We're supposed to feel good about ourselves because we let a talented musician die in the ruins of his house, because, some years after his death, a recording of his music is floating through space?

    How about we, y'know, fucking built him a new house?

    You want to do something uplifting for all mankind? We could end poverty. We have the resources and the technology to eliminate extreme poverty for the entire world. Not a single human being would lack shelter, food, or clean water due to inability to pay.

    just having the technology is far, far from enough.
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  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck FAK U HODGEHEG Registered User regular
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    It answers lots of questions!

    Right now we have to build rovers with small sets of tools to do very specific things. If we can just pop a guy down there he can find out all kinds of stuff.

    just how red is this dirt, anyway
  • Irond WillIrond Will Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Kagera wrote: »
    Also 'prestige' shit like landing on the moon does things for humanity other than concrete practicals it spurs creativity and wonder and shit pragmatism never does.

    really?

    like what?

    what did a moon landing do for humanity that, say, 300 hoover dams wouldn't?
  • KageraKagera Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    because the only real historical benefits of sending people into space are spinoff technologies that you could get from doing less-expensive research into something actually useful.

    i am all for government investment into science and technology, but believe that space is one of the worst, least efficient and most pointless ways to spend that investment.

    I agree with this so hard.

    At least, for manned space flight in particular.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2HzHSeV9v8

    Ugh. Ugh. Fuck this speech.

    We're supposed to feel good about ourselves because we let a talented musician die in the ruins of his house, because, some years after his death, a recording of his music is floating through space?

    How about we, y'know, fucking built him a new house?

    You want to do something uplifting for all mankind? We could end poverty. We have the resources and the technology to eliminate extreme poverty for the entire world. Not a single human being would lack shelter, food, or clean water due to inability to pay.

    Well that method seems to rely on changing the very way human beings think of themselves and others which seems as implausible as space mining right now to me so...yay? If we all gathered in one spot and farted at the same time we could probably kill ourselves too.
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  • KageraKagera Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Also 'prestige' shit like landing on the moon does things for humanity other than concrete practicals it spurs creativity and wonder and shit pragmatism never does.

    really?

    like what?

    what did a moon landing do for humanity that, say, 300 hoover dams wouldn't?
    Inspired a young man named

    Neil
    Degrasse
    Tyson

    You lose.
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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Six pack on a dick Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Also 'prestige' shit like landing on the moon does things for humanity other than concrete practicals it spurs creativity and wonder and shit pragmatism never does.

    really?

    like what?

    what did a moon landing do for humanity that, say, 300 hoover dams wouldn't?

    Gave us a video of Buzz Aldrin punching the shit out of a guy?
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  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong and a cast of thousands Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Also 'prestige' shit like landing on the moon does things for humanity other than concrete practicals it spurs creativity and wonder and shit pragmatism never does.

    really?

    like what?

    what did a moon landing do for humanity that, say, 300 hoover dams wouldn't?

    China made 300 hoover dams and it turned out pretty terribly.
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  • GooeyGooey Registered User regular
    i would help if we had actually landed on the moon you know
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  • ShivahnShivahn Registered User regular
    Cinders wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    I went to the doctor last week and got weighed.

    Apparently I have lost weight on estrogen?

    Not complaining, but... what? That's entirely unexpected!

    Huh, I'd have figured the opposite as you adjust to needing fewer overall calories.

    Yeah @Cinders that, plus increased fat and like whole new places for fat means I expected at least a little increase, not a .... decrease.
  • HamurabiHamurabi Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    You want to do something uplifting for all mankind? We could end poverty. We have the resources and the technology to eliminate extreme poverty for the entire world. Not a single human being would lack shelter, food, or clean water due to inability to pay.

    Interestingly this would also be a far more effective means of going about the "war on terror".

    It's harder to radicalise people that aren't desperate in the first place. Not impossible, but harder.

    but then we'd be giving money to turrorists

    it's amazing how many people out there would rather spend 10x the money hurting people than helping them, because the latter violates some perverse sense of justice.

    It's just a failure to address problems upstream, because they're nebulous you get attacked for "spending money on brown people that we need right here in the USA." The West's inability to address problems upstream is basically the marshmallowey center of the entire War on Terror.*



    *There's a lot more to it, obviously, but strictly in terms of things the U.S. has control over, this is pretty much it.
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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Also 'prestige' shit like landing on the moon does things for humanity other than concrete practicals it spurs creativity and wonder and shit pragmatism never does.

    really?

    like what?

    what did a moon landing do for humanity that, say, 300 hoover dams wouldn't?

    conspiracy theories.


    also do you even have places to build 300 hoover dams and why haven't you done so like half a century ago already, then?

    hydroelectric power be making the mad greens, yo
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  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    Kagera wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Also 'prestige' shit like landing on the moon does things for humanity other than concrete practicals it spurs creativity and wonder and shit pragmatism never does.

    really?

    like what?

    what did a moon landing do for humanity that, say, 300 hoover dams wouldn't?
    Inspired a young man named

    Neil
    Degrasse
    Tyson

    So?
  • DynagripDynagrip destroy everything you touch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Kagera wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Also 'prestige' shit like landing on the moon does things for humanity other than concrete practicals it spurs creativity and wonder and shit pragmatism never does.

    really?

    like what?

    what did a moon landing do for humanity that, say, 300 hoover dams wouldn't?
    Inspired a young man named

    Neil
    Degrasse
    Tyson

    You lose.
    I hate that guy.
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  • TavTav Registered User regular
    Okay, i'll go do my workout soon...

    I'm gonna add jumping jacks to my work-out routine today...

    Is... is that a good idea?

    lift weights instead
  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo Tough on mime. Tough on the causes of mime Registered User regular
    TOP TIP:
    Be sure to use the cold tap when pissing in
    the sink, as hot water encourages the urea in
    your piss to become a foul-smelling vapour.
  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    We could eliminate poverty easier by all drinking one gallon of bleach at the same time

    Just sayin
  • OrganichuOrganichu Registered User regular
    dk

    say your piece about space

    don't sit there hiding
  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    redx wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    redx wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    TehSloth wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    Also worth noting that you could probably produce a workable metal AR-15 lower receiver on any of a number of consumer-level desktop CNC mills without too much difficulty.

    Hell, looking at it you could probably do it by hand with a manual milling machine if you took your time over it.

    Yes, this is a thing that people do now. The law allows it for private use. Selling it runs into a bunch of potential issues.

    It's just interesting that there is hysteria over 3D printed guns when the tech is considerably less mature than and comparably expensive to basic cnc equipment.

    I suppose it's because people can envisage 3D printing being a true consumer technology (in the "one in every home" sense)? Or they're just not thinking that hard about it.

    Basically I think that if you were a generally bad person looking to make (as opposed to buy, or steal) an untraceable gun for nefarious purposes you'd almost certainly buy or rent a CNC machine and use that with any of the freely available schematics online before you'd even consider 3D printing.

    I think it's more that people just aren't aware that making guns isn't some super tricky arcane art that only wizards can do.

    They think that, and then see 3D printed guns and go "oh shit!"

    Possibly a failure of the printer analogy.

    CNC equipment is much closer to "load up file on computer, put raw material in machine, send file to machine, completed part comes out" than 3D printing is at the moment, but people don't know what a CNC mill is, what it does, or how it works, but do know what a printer is.

    Ok that's totally true.

    I thought stuff like the maker replicator was basically like that.

    It's also SIGNIFICANTLY less cost prohibitive than a CNC mill for anything but really tiny stuff.

    like, star trek replicator? or?

    because if not then no

    guns, for example, are generally made of metal, or something that can get similar properties, and you'd be hard pressed to print that out.

    If you want to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars, you can buy a 3d printer like thing that does metal. Like, it's existing technology in industrial use.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkwd2YXNy9I
    Yay! even more expensive bike parts!

    That's basically the sort of awesomeness I was talking about.

    Charge only did this for a limited run of one bike, mostly because EADS has the facility and downtime in which to use it for customer jobs as opposed to their own manufacturing.

    The economics of it actually work out fairly reasonably for manufacturing in titanium. The dropouts of a bike frame are basically the only parts that aren't fundamentally a manipulated tube, and machining Ti is a complete pig and wastes a hell of a lot of material (as pointed out in the video).

    They sold the frames for a list price of £2,000, which is about par for a high-ish end Ti frame.
  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    that's pretty much exactly what I'm saying FCC

    however there's a huuuuuuuuuuge "anti-gmo" movement that just plain hates GMOs of all stripes and won't listen to facts
    Oh I see. Haha. Sorry!
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  • ShivahnShivahn Registered User regular
    Also making a NW character.

    Of course the beast slider is set to maximum by default.
  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Six pack on a dick Registered User regular
    Gooey wrote: »
    i would help if we had actually landed on the moon you know

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wcrkxOgzhU
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  • HamurabiHamurabi Registered User regular
    Tav wrote: »
    Okay, i'll go do my workout soon...

    I'm gonna add jumping jacks to my work-out routine today...

    Is... is that a good idea?

    lift weights instead

    Yeah 21st.

    Be a Man.
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  • 21stCentury21stCentury Raiding Relics Everyday Registered User regular
    Tav wrote: »
    Okay, i'll go do my workout soon...

    I'm gonna add jumping jacks to my work-out routine today...

    Is... is that a good idea?

    lift weights instead

    I don't want to buy equipment.

    i swear, next time someone tells me to "lift weights instead", i'll just quit fitness and buy me a big tub of ice cream and eat it in one sitting.
  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo Tough on mime. Tough on the causes of mime Registered User regular
    I went to poke around a local gym today. It was a dark room filled with sweaty men.

    The price to enter that room is extortionate.

    Sadly, the alternative is my continuing descent into becoming a scrawny weakling.
  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    ive been going to work 30 minutes late every mon/wed/fri for the last 3 months so idk if i should show up on time today even though I can
  • 21stCentury21stCentury Raiding Relics Everyday Registered User regular
    Hamurabi wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    Okay, i'll go do my workout soon...

    I'm gonna add jumping jacks to my work-out routine today...

    Is... is that a good idea?

    lift weights instead

    Yeah 21st.

    Be a Man.

    Nice heteronormativity, bro.
  • Irond WillIrond Will Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Also 'prestige' shit like landing on the moon does things for humanity other than concrete practicals it spurs creativity and wonder and shit pragmatism never does.

    really?

    like what?

    what did a moon landing do for humanity that, say, 300 hoover dams wouldn't?

    China made 300 hoover dams and it turned out pretty terribly.

    no way.

    it was probably the most efficient way to wipe out 40000 shitty little villages.
  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    We could eliminate poverty easier by all drinking one gallon of bleach at the same time

    Just sayin

    orrrr
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_4J4uor3JE
  • SarksusSarksus TEN FUCKING DOLLARS Registered User regular
    LIFT AN ICE CREAM TRUCK 21ST YOU SON OF A BITCH
  • Irond WillIrond Will Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    I went to the doctor last week and got weighed.

    Apparently I have lost weight on estrogen?

    Not complaining, but... what? That's entirely unexpected!

    Huh, I'd have figured the opposite as you adjust to needing fewer overall calories.

    Yeah @Cinders that, plus increased fat and like whole new places for fat means I expected at least a little increase, not a .... decrease.

    you'll make up for it in dong shrinkage
  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Also making a SR3 character.

    Of course the breast slider is set to maximum by default.

    this is how I play, anyway
  • ArchArch Trust me, I'm a scientist Registered User regular
  • 21stCentury21stCentury Raiding Relics Everyday Registered User regular
    Sarksus wrote: »
    LIFT AN ICE CREAM TRUCK 21ST YOU SON OF A BITCH

    That's it.

    i quit fitness. Forever.

    i'll die of being too fat because of you, Sarks. Hope you're happy.
  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    TOP TIP:
    Be sure to use the cold tap when pissing in
    the sink, as hot water encourages the urea in
    your piss to become a foul-smelling vapour.

    I am going to hold onto that fact. My latest mishap with the washing machine served as a reminder that I should be ready for the breakdown of anything in my apartment, and the breakdown of any part of the apartment, and the breakdown of infrastructure in the city the apartment is in all the way to the breakdown of society.

    I'm mostly covered though since I've got canned food, a leatherman, and duct tape.
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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    Speaking of high-end Ti bike frames, I'm pretty certain that the only reason this exists is "Hey, we figured out how to make twisty tubes out of titanium!"

    http://www.lynskeyperformance.com/store/helix.html
  • SarksusSarksus TEN FUCKING DOLLARS Registered User regular
    I am happy
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