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Feral

So It Goes wrote: »

that looks stupid to me

except for the controls maybe

whew

I thought I was the only person who thought that car was ugly

Delmain

bloodyroarxx wrote: »

Deebaser wrote: »

Thomamelas wrote: »

My inner 12 year saw this and started screaming yes. He has now lost his voice.

What is this and how do I get one?

Its a one off Lambo, for some rich bastard

The giant "Step Here" is what's killing me.

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot

Pony wrote: »

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot wrote: »

My anxiety is out of control lately, it sucks because anxiety is way harder to sympathise with than depression.

On the upside the toolset tends to be a lot easier to utilize because you don't have a core refusal to even try, unlike with depression. ie getting an anxious person to try to deal with their anxiety is a lot easier than trying to motivate a depressed person to do the same because by its nature depression fucks with your motivation to do anything.

Yeah but having people try to help you through my anxiety triggers a lot of my specific anxieties

I kind of prefer (milder) depressions where everyone can acknowledge the basic tenants of yes, i am not doing well, i will get better, this is my action plan

to anxiety which is AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa

DaemonSadi

My favorite Daft Punk is Daft Punk with vocals.

So hearing that this new Daft Punk has lots of singing makes me happy.

Deebaser

SammyF wrote: »

Deebaser wrote: »

SammyF wrote: »

Thomamelas wrote: »

My inner 12 year saw this and started screaming yes. He has now lost his voice.

Goddamnit, Thomamelas, before I backtracked your hyperlink and found the Jalopnik article, I thought that someone had rediscovered what made 1992 awesome, and flight simulators with moving cockpits were making their way back into video arcades where they serve you pizza as an animatronic teddy bear sings at you while pantomiming at strumming a banjo.

Sammy,
Thom

SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THE FUCK THAT THING IS.
IM THROWING MY CREDIT CARD AT THE SCREEN

It's a Lamborghini. Your computer screen isn't the only thing declining your card on that particular purchase I'm afraid.

It doesn't fly?
That's fucking lame.

cptrugged

Man, ya'll hatin' on Discovery? I loved that album. Quite a bit of singing in that one as well. If this is like Discovery, I'll probably like it.

spool32

Winky wrote: »

Evil Multifarious wrote: »

Someone I was talking to the other day was saying fibromyalgia is likely linked to depression or anxiety - the pain is very real but is caused by neurological issues in the brain itself, and should be treated accordingly. Like a more severe version of the aches and pains and soreness that often accompany depression.

Pretty interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatization_disorder

Worthwhile read if you're interested in these sorts of things.

EDIT: I think my pet theory when it comes to these things is that the individual is highly suggestible. It's the same principle that allows a person to become hypnotized.

What.

What.

Feral

this is not nearly as extravagant

but as far as "cars I will never be able to buy," Aston-Martin more my style

desc

Thomamelas wrote: »

Deebaser wrote: »

SammyF wrote: »

Thomamelas wrote: »

My inner 12 year saw this and started screaming yes. He has now lost his voice.

Goddamnit, Thomamelas, before I backtracked your hyperlink and found the Jalopnik article, I thought that someone had rediscovered what made 1992 awesome, and flight simulators with moving cockpits were making their way back into video arcades where they serve you pizza as an animatronic teddy bear sings at you while pantomiming at strumming a banjo.

Sammy,
Thom

SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THE FUCK THAT THING IS.
IM THROWING MY CREDIT CARD AT THE SCREEN

Megatron's new girlfriend is pretty hot

skippydumptruck

desc wrote: »

skippydumptruck wrote: »

my wife bought a bunch of music recently and I made her price match every album between itunes and amazon and buy it from the cheaper store and she was mad about it

Skippy why are you a dork

Also amazon is the easiest thing in the world to buy from

I AM FRUGAL ABOUT SOME STUFF SOMETIMES

SammyF

So It Goes wrote: »

that looks stupid to me

except for the controls maybe

The Jalopnik article I tracked Thom's image back to is basically a defense of the statement that, yes, this car obviously looks stupid and over the top, but that's precisely what a Lamborghini is supposed to be. It's meant to be outrageous; you should consequently feel outraged when looking at it.

Thomamelas

Feral wrote: »

So It Goes wrote: »

that looks stupid to me

except for the controls maybe

whew

I thought I was the only person who thought that car was ugly

It's not pretty. I don't think you'd compare it to a statue or a work of art. No, it's insanity given form. It's the drawing many of our 12 year old selves drew as doodles. But with a bigger more powerful engine and less lasers.

Evil Multifarious

The dualistic divide between mental and physical health is kind of illusory, as @Feral will often proclaim, and edge cases like FM are exactly where people suffer because of that line being drawn

Ravenhpltc24

Re: Theon:

That is admittedly unfortunate!

I had to close the windows to my room because that was so porny.

Feral

I've got another really good one about the DSM, just a sec

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot

I hate driving. I will never leave Toronto because public transit works and I do not want to drive ever.

Irond Will

Pony wrote: »

I also find that people are less sympathetic to conditions that don't have specified names and might be the subject of ongoing research and understanding.

I have a mental health diagnosis of Bipolar Disorder and also Personality Disorder (Not Otherwise Specified), the latter of which is DSM-speak for "Clearly something is wrong but it doesn't fit existing diagnostic criteria for something more specific".

Even among people who don't have the same stigma for mental illness (like SE++'s threads on brain problems, for example), I can talk about struggling with bipolar disorder but if I bring up my PDNOS issues people are largely confused and sorta struggle to sympathize, because they're not even sure if it's like, a real thing so they're hesitant in case I'm some malingering layabout or something.

I also have some kind of inborn error of metabolism that I've struggled with since a teenager that never had a name or satisfied existing metabolic disorder diagnostic criteria and it was only a few months ago that a doctor did a CT of my organs and went "Oh, you have congenitally malformed adrenal glands, that's probably the source of a lot of this", finally giving me some kind of thing to blame in my body rather than just being a symptoms list.

i mean, basically the nature of existence is unknowable, right? people without physical disorders can often understand what it's like to have a physical disorder - we all know what a leg is and what we use it for, so it's not hard to understand what it's like to not have a leg. we know what it's like to be injured and we know what it feels like to be sick.

mental disorders are different, and i think it goes beyond just stigma. i think it's just hard to actually convey what it's like.

like depression is generally explained as "you've been sad, right? well i'm sad all the time for no reason" but really it's not. the really crippling part of depression are the hits on motivation and sensation a lot more than just the sads. that is - you're sad, but also numb, and also there's no reason and also you think maybe it will always be like this.

and depression is probably the very most accessible and sympathizable of all emotional disorders.

the above is basically true of all mental disorders - they make people act in unattractive and sometimes frightening ways, and they're really really difficult to empathize with in any real way, because it's impossible to get into someone else's head.

Winky

I mean, in the past I have been a person who very much wants everyone to burn their DSMs.

I recognize that might be extreme, but I am very dissatisfied with the structure of mental health diagnoses.

I am certain that a lot of our diagnostic groupings are hurting a lot of advancement in mental health research.

Mazzyx

Thomamelas wrote: »

Feral wrote: »

So It Goes wrote: »

that looks stupid to me

except for the controls maybe

whew

I thought I was the only person who thought that car was ugly

It's not pretty. I don't think you'd compare it to a statue or a work of art. No, it's insanity given form. It's the drawing many of our 12 year old selves drew as doodles. But with a bigger more powerful engine and less lasers.

I bet they would install the lasers if you paid enough.

So It Goes

SammyF wrote: »

So It Goes wrote: »

that looks stupid to me

except for the controls maybe

The Jalopnik article I tracked Thom's image back to is basically a defense of the statement that, yes, this car obviously looks stupid and over the top, but that's precisely what a Lamborghini is supposed to be. It's meant to be outrageous; you should consequently feel outraged when looking at it.

haha I can see that. they've succeeded!

that car Feral posted is more my style

Zombiemambo

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot wrote: »

I hate driving. I will never leave Toronto because public transit works and I do not want to drive ever.

I love driving. I wish I could be a rally racer

Ludious

spool32 wrote: »

Winky wrote: »

Evil Multifarious wrote: »

Someone I was talking to the other day was saying fibromyalgia is likely linked to depression or anxiety - the pain is very real but is caused by neurological issues in the brain itself, and should be treated accordingly. Like a more severe version of the aches and pains and soreness that often accompany depression.

Pretty interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatization_disorder

Worthwhile read if you're interested in these sorts of things.

EDIT: I think my pet theory when it comes to these things is that the individual is highly suggestible. It's the same principle that allows a person to become hypnotized.

What.

What.

I guess it's all just in our wives' heads spool.

Hamurabi

Internet Nerds:

iTunes Match -- worth $25/yr?

Pony

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot wrote: »

Ludious wrote: »

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot wrote: »

My anxiety is out of control lately, it sucks because anxiety is way harder to sympathise with than depression.

do you ever find that when you are having an anxiety attack and someone tells you to calm down or relax that you just kinda want to make their head go nova as they just made your anxiety twice as bad with a few careless words?

Last month I was crying and going "I'm the worst, everybody hates me, nooo"

and Aaron yells NO! STOP!

and that just made it worse

it was awful because it was just both of us were in over our heads and making each other feel worse over something that was no one's fault

That being said I have been in the middle of a panic attack and Pony is so aggravatingly insistent that I snap out of it ... because I want to strangle him

which works

I guess

Aaron and I need to have a talk about his efforts to learn how to help you. I have some books he can read and some resources I can point him in the direction of, because the simple fact is that him loving you is not enough in and of itself and he needs to know what he's doing. He doesn't. That's not his fault, but as your spouse it's his obligation if he wants to have a life with you. Alex understood that when her and I moved in together and we decided to make a life together, she understood that it's part of our relationship that she not just be supportive of me but to know how to be supportive correctly in a way that makes both our lives easier.

He means well, but he's often out of his depth, and you're not really in the position to educate him on the subject. He needs outside help, and I can point him in the directions of where he can find that help which includes him talking to Alex and asking her for advice, because she's quite good at this stuff and has years of understanding and practice with it that he doesn't.

also

i'm da bes

Feral

Here we go

@Winky @Pony

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2013/05/book_of_woe_the_dsm_and_the_unmaking_of_psychiatry_by_gary_greenberg_reviewed.html

Greenberg’s case is compelling. But he smartly devotes equal time to an alternative rescue plan advocated by Allen Frances, chief architect of the DSM’s previous edition, the DSM-IV. (The APA has switched from Roman to Arabic numerals.) Much of the drama in The Book of Woe flows from the tortured intellectual bromance of Greenberg and Frances, who are a bit like Ishmael and Ahab. Frances has a white whale he wants to slay, the DSM-5, which he considers rife with imprecision. He has launched a ferocious publicity campaign against it, arguing that its methodology must be overhauled if psychiatrists are to retain their credibility. Greenberg, like Ishmael, plays the bemused outsider. He’s not sure there should be a DSM at all. His role is mostly to stand by and watch the bloody spectacle.

As presented by Greenberg, Frances’ view is that psychiatry can maintain the public trust and protect patients by being both more stringent and more open about the way mental disorders are defined. The DSM needs better field trials, clearer boundaries for many mental illnesses, and less deference to well-placed experts who want to get their off-the-cuff diagnoses in the book. He believes the manual-in-progress is full of the mischief he regrets allowing in DSM-IV: sloppy, poorly tested diagnostic categories and pet disorders promoted by insiders. Frances wants a “black-box warning about the dangers of overdiagnosis.”

But—and this is where it gets really interesting—Greenberg depicts Frances as having much the same doubts about psychiatry’s fundamental scientific validity as Greenberg himself. He suspects that Frances, despite having supervised the writing of the DSM-IV, knows just as well as he does that psychiatry is “built on air.”

But Frances says that if patients come to understand the limitations of psychiatry, they might fail “to do the calculation.” They might fail to conclude, “Well, maybe this isn’t perfect, but it’s still the best way available, and we shouldn’t just throw it out.” They might “get disillusioned and stop taking their medicine.” Frances wants to maintain the prestige of the profession until neuroscience improves, and “the complexity begins to clarify out of the mist.” Until then, “the full truth is usually best, but sometimes we may need a noble lie.” Frances, whom the New York Times once called “perhaps the most powerful psychiatrist in America,” understands, according to Greenberg, that because we cannot yet create “a taxonomy of disorders validated by biochemical findings,” psychiatry as we know it is a collection of fictions.

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot

Watching my father's descent into mental illness has convinced me that I will never stop fighting to get better.

I mean I found out on Friday that when I lived at home he went through the garbage to find my pads and verify that I was bleeding 'normal' amounts so that I wasn't pregnant or having abortions or something.

I will never be that fucked up.

desc

Feral wrote: »

Aston-Martin more my style

*dap*

skippydumptruck

if I had fuck you money I would probably buy a nissan gt-r

or maybe I would get them to make me a custom lotus elise at 5/4 scale so I could fit in it

y2jake215

I suffer from high-fiber fibromyalgia

Thomamelas

Mazzyx wrote: »

Thomamelas wrote: »

Feral wrote: »

So It Goes wrote: »

that looks stupid to me

except for the controls maybe

whew

I thought I was the only person who thought that car was ugly

It's not pretty. I don't think you'd compare it to a statue or a work of art. No, it's insanity given form. It's the drawing many of our 12 year old selves drew as doodles. But with a bigger more powerful engine and less lasers.

I bet they would install the lasers if you paid enough.

Look, I'm already in talks with human trafficers to see how much I can get for you guys.

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot wrote: »

I hate driving. I will never leave Toronto because public transit works and I do not want to drive ever.

Commuting is boring and sucks. But driving can be a blast.

Kalkino

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot wrote: »

I hate driving. I will never leave Toronto because public transit works and I do not want to drive ever.

You could train to Ottawa anytime

Abdhyius

STATE OF THE ART ROBOT wrote: »

Cass when I see someone hiccuping I think "well that must be annoying for him/her" not "wow what a dingus"

Nothing makes me crack a smile easier than tipsy people coming in with a hiccup.

Since, well, it's just so cliché. So of course you get the hiccups right before you're about to pass the bouncer gauntlet.

Ludious

If I had fuck you money I'd put the fuck you in fuck you money.

I'd by that fighter lambo and put it a crusher on my FUCK YOU MONEY youtube channel

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot

Pony wrote: »

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot wrote: »

Ludious wrote: »

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot wrote: »

My anxiety is out of control lately, it sucks because anxiety is way harder to sympathise with than depression.

do you ever find that when you are having an anxiety attack and someone tells you to calm down or relax that you just kinda want to make their head go nova as they just made your anxiety twice as bad with a few careless words?

Last month I was crying and going "I'm the worst, everybody hates me, nooo"

and Aaron yells NO! STOP!

and that just made it worse

it was awful because it was just both of us were in over our heads and making each other feel worse over something that was no one's fault

That being said I have been in the middle of a panic attack and Pony is so aggravatingly insistent that I snap out of it ... because I want to strangle him

which works

I guess

Aaron and I need to have a talk about his efforts to learn how to help you. I have some books he can read and some resources I can point him in the direction of, because the simple fact is that him loving you is not enough in and of itself and he needs to know what he's doing. He doesn't. That's not his fault, but as your spouse it's his obligation if he wants to have a life with you. Alex understood that when her and I moved in together and we decided to make a life together, she understood that it's part of our relationship that she not just be supportive of me but to know how to be supportive correctly in a way that makes both our lives easier.

He means well, but he's often out of his depth, and you're not really in the position to educate him on the subject. He needs outside help, and I can point him in the directions of where he can find that help which includes him talking to Alex and asking her for advice, because she's quite good at this stuff and has years of understanding and practice with it that he doesn't.

also

i'm da bes

you're okay

yeah i'd appreciate it if you talked to him

i've been trying to find us couple's therapy for a couple of years now and there's just nothing that is free or easily accessible.

that book that you lent me a couple of years back, the big blue one, was really good.

So It Goes

I would buy a jaguar and five hundred audis

Irond Will

Ludious wrote: »

spool32 wrote: »

Winky wrote: »

Evil Multifarious wrote: »

Someone I was talking to the other day was saying fibromyalgia is likely linked to depression or anxiety - the pain is very real but is caused by neurological issues in the brain itself, and should be treated accordingly. Like a more severe version of the aches and pains and soreness that often accompany depression.

Pretty interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatization_disorder

Worthwhile read if you're interested in these sorts of things.

EDIT: I think my pet theory when it comes to these things is that the individual is highly suggestible. It's the same principle that allows a person to become hypnotized.

What.

What.

I guess it's all just in our wives' heads spool.

well i mean

what if it's a neurological sensitivity to pain coupled with depression?

does that change anything compared to if it's blood parasites or a secret hidden bacteria or a latent body fungus?

why are the second ones acceptable outcomes for "what is fibromyalgia" but the first one is so unacceptable that you want to punch people?

Kalkino

Anyway, this is the car you all wish you were driving right now

SammyF

So It Goes wrote: »

SammyF wrote: »

So It Goes wrote: »

that looks stupid to me

except for the controls maybe

The Jalopnik article I tracked Thom's image back to is basically a defense of the statement that, yes, this car obviously looks stupid and over the top, but that's precisely what a Lamborghini is supposed to be. It's meant to be outrageous; you should consequently feel outraged when looking at it.

haha I can see that. they've succeeded!

that car Feral posted is more my style

I like the lines on Feral's car better. Even if you weren't looking at it in motion, it would look like it was going fast. But I have a mantra: "Always be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Then you should always be Batman." And the Lamborghini is scratching that itch.

Note to @Feral that I have decided to call the Aston Martin "Feral's Car" so that you may feel like you own one just for today.

Feral

like, if i ever got to a point where

i owned a home
had a retirement fund
had a 6 month emergency fund in savings
donated 10% of my income to charity
and owned an aston-martin

I'd consider myself rich and the the rest of my money can go to obamaphones or welfare queens or whatever else the fuck those tax-and-spend democrats want to blow it on

Ludious

So It Goes wrote: »

I would buy a jaguar and five hundred audis

501 ways to get to wor..

I mean..well

hey at least you have a gavel