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Casual

Organichu wrote: »

i've never in my life met a fat person who hasn't tried on some level to lose weight. maybe some only give it a casual effort, but they almost all try and a great many of them try very hard and do a lot of research and work hard and just can't manage to keep up the effort.

it is really strange to me to have no sympathy for them just because they failed at something that 'can' be done. lots of things are doable. lots are also really hard and incredibly distressing.

plus if you suffer from depression just fucking forget about it

there's no way you can keep the motivation going

Haphazard

Good morrow. How's stuff and other things?

Mojo_Jojo

I'm pretty happy to have finally got my arse in gear and get myself set up at a gym. It's always been the best way to get rid of the sads.

STATE OF THE ART ROBOT

Tiiiiiiired

Couscous

Casual wrote: »

Organichu wrote: »

i've never in my life met a fat person who hasn't tried on some level to lose weight. maybe some only give it a casual effort, but they almost all try and a great many of them try very hard and do a lot of research and work hard and just can't manage to keep up the effort.

it is really strange to me to have no sympathy for them just because they failed at something that 'can' be done. lots of things are doable. lots are also really hard and incredibly distressing.

plus if you suffer from depression just fucking forget about it

there's no way you can keep the motivation going

Why do I have to have the kind of depression where I binge eat a lot and not the sexy kind of depression where you starve?

Casual

hrm, my BMI is 24.1

that's good?

redx

Casual wrote: »

Organichu wrote: »

i've never in my life met a fat person who hasn't tried on some level to lose weight. maybe some only give it a casual effort, but they almost all try and a great many of them try very hard and do a lot of research and work hard and just can't manage to keep up the effort.

it is really strange to me to have no sympathy for them just because they failed at something that 'can' be done. lots of things are doable. lots are also really hard and incredibly distressing.

plus if you suffer from depression just fucking forget about it

there's no way you can keep the motivation going

Unless you have issues with eating disorders. I tend to loose weight when I'm depressed.

ronya

Casual wrote: »

ronya wrote: »

I dropped down to 58kg before I ate a large-ish early lunch just now

Ronya

if we ever meet i am going to feed you

i'mma frog march you to a steakhouse and we're not leaving until you are a reasonable sized person

nice

I like steak, but I never find the will to go out and acquire it

Henroid

Casual

Couscous wrote: »

Casual wrote: »

Organichu wrote: »

i've never in my life met a fat person who hasn't tried on some level to lose weight. maybe some only give it a casual effort, but they almost all try and a great many of them try very hard and do a lot of research and work hard and just can't manage to keep up the effort.

it is really strange to me to have no sympathy for them just because they failed at something that 'can' be done. lots of things are doable. lots are also really hard and incredibly distressing.

plus if you suffer from depression just fucking forget about it

there's no way you can keep the motivation going

Why do I have to have the kind of depression where I binge eat a lot and not the sexy kind of depression where you starve?

i have the boring kind of depression where i have no feelings or motivation to do anything and my life goes down the toilet while i sit there not caring very much

Tav

Casual wrote: »

Tav wrote: »

Casual wrote: »

Tav wrote: »

Organichu wrote: »

Tav wrote: »

Antinumeric wrote: »

Organichu wrote: »

i don't think most models are too thin. i mean, maybe high couture parisian runway models with severe makeup, wearing pelicans made of pvc piping are too thin. but plenty of models are just tall, slender women without their ribs showing. plenty of room for slender ladies and curvy ladies and all.

i think when it comes to dangerously, obviously unhealthy thin women you end up with more emotionally victimized teenaged girls who are aspiring to be models than actual models.

Yeah i think this is a problem with the fashion industry.

Personally I find that there's a culture of fat acceptance that's far more widespread and dangerous. There are far more dangerously overweight people than there are dangerously underweight people. Not that the fashion industry is promoting it, but a lot of people seem to have the idea of "oh well, it's not their fault they're fat!" when really, in 99% of cases, it is. I'm saying this as a pretty big dude. Losing weight isn't particularly hard, all it takes is a bit of knowledge and dedication.

i disagree that it isn't particularly hard- for some people it's a lifelong battle that is harder than getting their college degree or maintaining their marriage or whatever. it can be everything for some people, and it's dreadful.

but i agree that i don't really like some of the attitudes of the fat acceptance community. i'm all for promoting a positive body image but i don't like the obfuscation of certain things just because people are fragile and can have their feelings hurt. so yeah, tell society that it's fucked up to tear down people for their body. but don't then say 'besides, it's not like you can do anything about it'. that ain't cool.

i don't think there's anything wrong with saying 'look how you want to look, and don't let others objectify you and define your self-worth. but if you're interested, it's generally accepted that a healthy weight range for people of your height and age is so and so.'

Yeah, not particularly hard probably wasn't the right term. It is a difficult thing to do, but there are a lot of resources available to do it. It's not this big mystery like a lot of people claim it is.

it's as hard as doing anything that requires consistent, long term appliction of motivation, effort and perseverance

which as it turns out, is pretty fucking hard for 90% of people

I'd say it's harder to get motivated for but easier to do, really

if you stopped going to work, that's be pretty hard to ignore because you stop having money
if you stop caring about exercising and eating, so what? Buy a bigger pair of pants

Work is what? 8 hours of your day? You can do a damn good workout in an hour.

my original point really should have said losing weight isn't complicated. Eat less, eat healthier and exercise more!

everything is easy on paper

how to become a millionaire

>go to business school and learn investment backing
>go to NYC stock exchange
>buy and sell shit
>PROFT!

Yeah, this is the type of thing I'm talking about! Saying "gosh, everything is hard! I guess maybe it's not their fault that they're fat" is the kind of thinking that has lead to record highs in obesity.

You can become significantly healthier by taking an hour out of your day do go do something good for your body. It is a slow process and it takes more dedication than sitting around playing video games or dicking about on the internet every night, but it's certainly a manageable thing (especially moreso than say, college or work where there's deadlines and such)

like I said, people who are dangerously overweight didn't become so overnight and certainly shouldn't expect instant results either

Abdhyius

Couscous wrote: »

Casual wrote: »

Organichu wrote: »

i've never in my life met a fat person who hasn't tried on some level to lose weight. maybe some only give it a casual effort, but they almost all try and a great many of them try very hard and do a lot of research and work hard and just can't manage to keep up the effort.

it is really strange to me to have no sympathy for them just because they failed at something that 'can' be done. lots of things are doable. lots are also really hard and incredibly distressing.

plus if you suffer from depression just fucking forget about it

there's no way you can keep the motivation going

Why do I have to have the kind of depression where I binge eat a lot and not the sexy kind of depression where you starve?

oh yeah if there's anything that helps the lethargy of depression it's hardly eating anything and only eating shit.

Antinumeric

Couscous wrote: »

Casual wrote: »

Organichu wrote: »

i've never in my life met a fat person who hasn't tried on some level to lose weight. maybe some only give it a casual effort, but they almost all try and a great many of them try very hard and do a lot of research and work hard and just can't manage to keep up the effort.

it is really strange to me to have no sympathy for them just because they failed at something that 'can' be done. lots of things are doable. lots are also really hard and incredibly distressing.

plus if you suffer from depression just fucking forget about it

there's no way you can keep the motivation going

Why do I have to have the kind of depression where I binge eat a lot and not the sexy kind of depression where you starve?

I had the starve depression.

People get a lot more alarmed at that than gaining weight.

Got asked if I was doing heroin. :S

Abdhyius

Signed up to give blood.

Casual

ronya wrote: »

Casual wrote: »

ronya wrote: »

I dropped down to 58kg before I ate a large-ish early lunch just now

Ronya

if we ever meet i am going to feed you

i'mma frog march you to a steakhouse and we're not leaving until you are a reasonable sized person

nice

I like steak, but I never find the will to go out and acquire it

i will carry you if i must

Tav

going to the gym helped my depression

who woulda thought that doing something that releases endorphins would help make you feel better

i certainly didn't before i tried it

Casual

Tav wrote: »

Casual wrote: »

Tav wrote: »

Casual wrote: »

Tav wrote: »

Organichu wrote: »

Tav wrote: »

Antinumeric wrote: »

Organichu wrote: »

i don't think most models are too thin. i mean, maybe high couture parisian runway models with severe makeup, wearing pelicans made of pvc piping are too thin. but plenty of models are just tall, slender women without their ribs showing. plenty of room for slender ladies and curvy ladies and all.

i think when it comes to dangerously, obviously unhealthy thin women you end up with more emotionally victimized teenaged girls who are aspiring to be models than actual models.

Yeah i think this is a problem with the fashion industry.

Personally I find that there's a culture of fat acceptance that's far more widespread and dangerous. There are far more dangerously overweight people than there are dangerously underweight people. Not that the fashion industry is promoting it, but a lot of people seem to have the idea of "oh well, it's not their fault they're fat!" when really, in 99% of cases, it is. I'm saying this as a pretty big dude. Losing weight isn't particularly hard, all it takes is a bit of knowledge and dedication.

i disagree that it isn't particularly hard- for some people it's a lifelong battle that is harder than getting their college degree or maintaining their marriage or whatever. it can be everything for some people, and it's dreadful.

but i agree that i don't really like some of the attitudes of the fat acceptance community. i'm all for promoting a positive body image but i don't like the obfuscation of certain things just because people are fragile and can have their feelings hurt. so yeah, tell society that it's fucked up to tear down people for their body. but don't then say 'besides, it's not like you can do anything about it'. that ain't cool.

i don't think there's anything wrong with saying 'look how you want to look, and don't let others objectify you and define your self-worth. but if you're interested, it's generally accepted that a healthy weight range for people of your height and age is so and so.'

Yeah, not particularly hard probably wasn't the right term. It is a difficult thing to do, but there are a lot of resources available to do it. It's not this big mystery like a lot of people claim it is.

it's as hard as doing anything that requires consistent, long term appliction of motivation, effort and perseverance

which as it turns out, is pretty fucking hard for 90% of people

I'd say it's harder to get motivated for but easier to do, really

if you stopped going to work, that's be pretty hard to ignore because you stop having money
if you stop caring about exercising and eating, so what? Buy a bigger pair of pants

Work is what? 8 hours of your day? You can do a damn good workout in an hour.

my original point really should have said losing weight isn't complicated. Eat less, eat healthier and exercise more!

everything is easy on paper

how to become a millionaire

>go to business school and learn investment backing
>go to NYC stock exchange
>buy and sell shit
>PROFT!

Yeah, this is the type of thing I'm talking about! Saying "gosh, everything is hard! I guess maybe it's not their fault that they're fat" is the kind of thinking that has lead to record highs in obesity.

You can become significantly healthier by taking an hour out of your day do go do something good for your body. It is a slow process and it takes more dedication than sitting around playing video games or dicking about on the internet every night, but it's certainly a manageable thing (especially moreso than say, college or work where there's deadlines and such)

like I said, people who are dangerously overweight didn't become so overnight and certainly shouldn't expect instant results either

to be clear im not saying it's impossible and throwing my hands up

i'm saying you're grossly over simplifying it because you have your anecdotal experience and you're applying it universally

the reality falls between "impossible" and "piece of piss"

it'll also vary from person to person some people find applying themselves to this sort of long term effort natural, for others it'll be the hardest thing in the world

Casual

Abdhyius wrote: »

Signed up to give blood.

give an extra couple of pints for those of us who are too scared of needles

Tav

I don't think anyone was genuine about being annoyed about Angelina Jolie's mastectomy?

Mojo_Jojo

Tav wrote: »

I don't think anyone was genuine about being annoyed about Angelina Jolie's mastectomy?

Everything has been incredibly positive about in the media.

Abdhyius

exercising always makes me feel better.

But y'know, like everything that makes you feel better it's hard to actually go and do it

but I'm going swimming with mates and a "hey you wanna go swimming?" is all the push I need to go do it.

Gonna try to keep up the momentum and start exercising more.

Casual

Mojo_Jojo wrote: »

Tav wrote: »

I don't think anyone was genuine about being annoyed about Angelina Jolie's mastectomy?

Everything has been incredibly positive about in the media.

yeah, i have no doubt you'll find that straw man out there if you lurk in the depths of reddit for long enough but the closest i've seen to that is "what a shame, she had nice boobs, ..... but i understand her actions completly in light of her absurdly high risk of cancer"

Antinumeric

Tav wrote: »

I don't think anyone was genuine about being annoyed about Angelina Jolie's mastectomy?

Some guy yesterday in the thread couldn't wrap their heads around reducing your cancer risk from 90% to 5%. That's about it.

evilbob

There's cute girl in a beanie here but she looks about 12. Too weird.

Tav

evilbob wrote: »

There's cute girl in a beanie here but she looks about 12. Too weird.

something something chrishansendotjpg

evilbob

Should probably explain that more. I describe everyone looks noticeably younger than me as looking like they're 12.

evilbob

She looks somewhere between about 16 and 19 is hard to tell.

Casual

too late

you're on "the list"

Abdhyius

Tav wrote: »

I don't think anyone was genuine about being annoyed about Angelina Jolie's mastectomy?

I was genuine when I said I raised a glass to the loss of her boobs.

Tav

I am glad Tig Notaro has come out as such a shining beacon of positivity in light of the last two years of her life. She's an incredibly inspirational human being.

Abdhyius

Casual wrote: »

Abdhyius wrote: »

Signed up to give blood.

give an extra couple of pints for those of us who are too scared of needles

No!

Elldren

@redx sexy beast was triffic

evilbob

Casual wrote: »

too late

you're on "the list"

NOOOOOOO!

Don't group me with the amine nerds.

Casual

Abdhyius wrote: »

Tav wrote: »

I don't think anyone was genuine about being annoyed about Angelina Jolie's mastectomy?

I was genuine when I said I raised a glass to the loss of her boobs.

she ain't lost nothing

she's got a set of the best implants money can buy

as others have pointed out at 37, time was not on her side in any case

bloodyroarxx

@elldren do you ever sleep?

Elldren

Abdhyius wrote: »

Tav wrote: »

I don't think anyone was genuine about being annoyed about Angelina Jolie's mastectomy?

I was genuine when I said I raised a glass to the loss of her boobs.

That's not annoyance

Casual

evilbob wrote: »

Casual wrote: »

too late

you're on "the list"

NOOOOOOO!

Don't group me with the amine nerds.

may you burn with them

Elldren

bloodyroarxx wrote: »

@elldren do you ever sleep?

I try

sometimes

It rarely works out

Casual

Abdhyius wrote: »

Casual wrote: »

Abdhyius wrote: »

Signed up to give blood.

give an extra couple of pints for those of us who are too scared of needles

No!

now you're just being selfish

Casual

Elldren wrote: »

bloodyroarxx wrote: »

@elldren do you ever sleep?

I try

sometimes

It rarely works out

are you currently av facing?