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  • BlankzillaBlankzilla We were the best, Richard No matter what they sayRegistered User regular
    I'm also a huge fan of the Revolutionary Period so this is right up my alley

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    King Riptor wrote: »
    Eat it You Nasty Pig. wrote: »
    does TMNT still have a big following? I mean I loved them as a kid and will therefore always have a certain level of interest in reboots or whatever, but I didn't think that franchise was still pulling much weight.

    Its still a multi million dollarvfranchise yeah. The last movie didnt do so hot but that was more because it wasnt advertised well. Or used the full name

    I just walked by a toy store in the Singapore airport and a good fourth of it was dedicated to TMNT stuff.

    So yeah, still kicking.
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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    I think my favorite Savin moment was when he gets out of the car, does the little "'sup?" head nod and points with the cup of coffee, then tosses it and whips out a gun

    he was just so casual in every scene
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  • Fire TruckFire Truck You were a house on fire And I could never understand whyRegistered User regular
    So just saw this movie

    only question for me
    who the fuck are the "ten rings" from the first movie then? Was that convolutedly part of AIM's long con? An unrelated terror group whose branding AIM used?
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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
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    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    I think my favorite Savin moment was when he gets out of the car, does the little "'sup?" head nod and points with the cup of coffee, then tosses it and whips out a gun

    he was just so casual in every scene

    The acting really sells it.
    Savin had me interested the second Happy saw him casually putting his leg up on a chair in the waiting room. No words, only pure body language.
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  • ToxTox I kill threads Let Piggy Chimp decideRegistered User regular
    Yeah Savin was a very well played character.
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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Fire Truck wrote: »
    So just saw this movie

    only question for me
    who the fuck are the "ten rings" from the first movie then? Was that convolutedly part of AIM's long con? An unrelated terror group whose branding AIM used?
    The Ten RIngs was always a separate organization that were terrorists. The majority of them may have been killed off in IM1.

    I don't think the Ten Rings are ever even tied to the Mandarin in the movie? Maybe in the comic which might not be canon? If anything it is most likely just another thing the Mandarin appropriated to sell his fake Terrorist.
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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
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    Fire Truck wrote: »
    So just saw this movie

    only question for me
    who the fuck are the "ten rings" from the first movie then? Was that convolutedly part of AIM's long con? An unrelated terror group whose branding AIM used?
    Fuck if I know. Aside from being mentioned they seemed to completely disappear from the movie. Which is strange since they had such a large role in Tony's origin.
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  • BlankzillaBlankzilla We were the best, Richard No matter what they sayRegistered User regular
    Yeah, Savin was easily the best head henchman in years.

    Possibly my favorite ever???
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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Yeah, Savin was easily the best head henchman in years.

    Possibly my favorite ever???

    I liked Brandt, too. But she was underused.
  • Fire TruckFire Truck You were a house on fire And I could never understand whyRegistered User regular
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    Fire Truck wrote: »
    So just saw this movie

    only question for me
    who the fuck are the "ten rings" from the first movie then? Was that convolutedly part of AIM's long con? An unrelated terror group whose branding AIM used?
    The Ten RIngs was always a separate organization that were terrorists. The majority of them may have been killed off in IM1.

    I don't think the Ten Rings are ever even tied to the Mandarin in the movie? Maybe in the comic which might not be canon? If anything it is most likely just another thing the Mandarin appropriated to sell his fake Terrorist.

    they're absolutely referenced in
    the logo before the Fake mandarin's broadcasts. It just seems a weird thing to omit completely
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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    Fire Truck wrote: »
    So just saw this movie

    only question for me
    who the fuck are the "ten rings" from the first movie then? Was that convolutedly part of AIM's long con? An unrelated terror group whose branding AIM used?
    The Ten RIngs was always a separate organization that were terrorists. The majority of them may have been killed off in IM1.

    I don't think the Ten Rings are ever even tied to the Mandarin in the movie? Maybe in the comic which might not be canon? If anything it is most likely just another thing the Mandarin appropriated to sell his fake Terrorist.
    The Ten Rings is the terrorist group Mandarin is supposed to be in charge of, though. The reason Killian has him in the first place is that he can control a terrorist group and be a "face" for his Extremis attacks. Of course it isn't explained even basically how he does that since Mandarin is a figurehead.

    Now I think about it - why wasn't Mandarin guarded by the Ten Rings in the movie? They wouldn't let just anyone guard their leader. Hired guns or not. They'd put him with someone they trust from their own group.
  • Fire TruckFire Truck You were a house on fire And I could never understand whyRegistered User regular
    Harry Dresden wrote: »
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    Fire Truck wrote: »
    So just saw this movie

    only question for me
    who the fuck are the "ten rings" from the first movie then? Was that convolutedly part of AIM's long con? An unrelated terror group whose branding AIM used?
    The Ten RIngs was always a separate organization that were terrorists. The majority of them may have been killed off in IM1.

    I don't think the Ten Rings are ever even tied to the Mandarin in the movie? Maybe in the comic which might not be canon? If anything it is most likely just another thing the Mandarin appropriated to sell his fake Terrorist.
    The Ten Rings is the terrorist group Mandarin is supposed to be in charge of, though. The reason Killian has him in the first place is that he can control a terrorist group and be a "face" for his Extremis attacks. Of course it isn't explained even basically how he does that since Mandarin is a figurehead.

    Now I think about it - why wasn't Mandarin guarded by the Ten Rings in the movie? They wouldn't let just anyone guard their leader. Hired guns or not. They'd put him with someone they trust from their own group.
    they were almost certainly planning to do something different with the mandarin circa the first movie, I think. I wonder at what point they changed their minds.
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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Harry Dresden wrote: »
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    Fire Truck wrote: »
    So just saw this movie

    only question for me
    who the fuck are the "ten rings" from the first movie then? Was that convolutedly part of AIM's long con? An unrelated terror group whose branding AIM used?
    The Ten RIngs was always a separate organization that were terrorists. The majority of them may have been killed off in IM1.

    I don't think the Ten Rings are ever even tied to the Mandarin in the movie? Maybe in the comic which might not be canon? If anything it is most likely just another thing the Mandarin appropriated to sell his fake Terrorist.
    The Ten Rings is the terrorist group Mandarin is supposed to be in charge of, though. The reason Killian has him in the first place is that he can control a terrorist group and be a "face" for his Extremis attacks. Of course it isn't explained even basically how he does that since Mandarin is a figurehead.

    Now I think about it - why wasn't Mandarin guarded by the Ten Rings in the movie? They wouldn't let just anyone guard their leader. Hired guns or not. They'd put him with someone they trust from their own group.

    The bolded is never hinted at all.
    If firetruck is right and there is a Ten Rings logo at the beginning then I think its safe to say that the Ten Rings are either defunct or weak enough they can't contradict the Mandarins claims.
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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Fire Truck wrote: »
    Harry Dresden wrote: »
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    Fire Truck wrote: »
    So just saw this movie

    only question for me
    who the fuck are the "ten rings" from the first movie then? Was that convolutedly part of AIM's long con? An unrelated terror group whose branding AIM used?
    The Ten RIngs was always a separate organization that were terrorists. The majority of them may have been killed off in IM1.

    I don't think the Ten Rings are ever even tied to the Mandarin in the movie? Maybe in the comic which might not be canon? If anything it is most likely just another thing the Mandarin appropriated to sell his fake Terrorist.
    The Ten Rings is the terrorist group Mandarin is supposed to be in charge of, though. The reason Killian has him in the first place is that he can control a terrorist group and be a "face" for his Extremis attacks. Of course it isn't explained even basically how he does that since Mandarin is a figurehead.

    Now I think about it - why wasn't Mandarin guarded by the Ten Rings in the movie? They wouldn't let just anyone guard their leader. Hired guns or not. They'd put him with someone they trust from their own group.
    they were almost certainly planning to do something different with the mandarin circa the first movie, I think. I wonder at what point they changed their minds.

    There is a long article that was posted a while ago. Basically both the first two IM movies had the Mandarin in them at some point. IM feature the Mandarin as the main villain until very near the beginning of shooting.
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  • Crimson KingCrimson King the freedom of birds is an insult to me i'd have them all in zoosRegistered User regular
    i guess the mandarin's pr people are just stealing the ten ring's branding to make him more believable

    it does kind of seem like they just jettisoned that whole tease though
  • Fire TruckFire Truck You were a house on fire And I could never understand whyRegistered User regular
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    Harry Dresden wrote: »
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    Fire Truck wrote: »
    So just saw this movie

    only question for me
    who the fuck are the "ten rings" from the first movie then? Was that convolutedly part of AIM's long con? An unrelated terror group whose branding AIM used?
    The Ten RIngs was always a separate organization that were terrorists. The majority of them may have been killed off in IM1.

    I don't think the Ten Rings are ever even tied to the Mandarin in the movie? Maybe in the comic which might not be canon? If anything it is most likely just another thing the Mandarin appropriated to sell his fake Terrorist.
    The Ten Rings is the terrorist group Mandarin is supposed to be in charge of, though. The reason Killian has him in the first place is that he can control a terrorist group and be a "face" for his Extremis attacks. Of course it isn't explained even basically how he does that since Mandarin is a figurehead.

    Now I think about it - why wasn't Mandarin guarded by the Ten Rings in the movie? They wouldn't let just anyone guard their leader. Hired guns or not. They'd put him with someone they trust from their own group.

    The bolded is never hinted at all.
    If firetruck is right and there is a Ten Rings logo at the beginning then I think its safe to say that the Ten Rings are either defunct or weak enough they can't contradict the Mandarins claims.

    He does say something to the effect of
    his plan is to control the major players on both sides of the war on terror, perpetuating it and becoming rich and powerful thereby.
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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    Harry Dresden wrote: »
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    Fire Truck wrote: »
    So just saw this movie

    only question for me
    who the fuck are the "ten rings" from the first movie then? Was that convolutedly part of AIM's long con? An unrelated terror group whose branding AIM used?
    The Ten RIngs was always a separate organization that were terrorists. The majority of them may have been killed off in IM1.

    I don't think the Ten Rings are ever even tied to the Mandarin in the movie? Maybe in the comic which might not be canon? If anything it is most likely just another thing the Mandarin appropriated to sell his fake Terrorist.
    The Ten Rings is the terrorist group Mandarin is supposed to be in charge of, though. The reason Killian has him in the first place is that he can control a terrorist group and be a "face" for his Extremis attacks. Of course it isn't explained even basically how he does that since Mandarin is a figurehead.

    Now I think about it - why wasn't Mandarin guarded by the Ten Rings in the movie? They wouldn't let just anyone guard their leader. Hired guns or not. They'd put him with someone they trust from their own group.

    The bolded is never hinted at all.
    If firetruck is right and there is a Ten Rings logo at the beginning then I think its safe to say that the Ten Rings are either defunct or weak enough they can't contradict the Mandarins claims.
    Fair enough. I guess I would have preferred it to be spelled out a bit clearer.
    Fire Truck wrote: »
    Harry Dresden wrote: »
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    Fire Truck wrote: »
    So just saw this movie

    only question for me
    who the fuck are the "ten rings" from the first movie then? Was that convolutedly part of AIM's long con? An unrelated terror group whose branding AIM used?
    The Ten RIngs was always a separate organization that were terrorists. The majority of them may have been killed off in IM1.

    I don't think the Ten Rings are ever even tied to the Mandarin in the movie? Maybe in the comic which might not be canon? If anything it is most likely just another thing the Mandarin appropriated to sell his fake Terrorist.
    The Ten Rings is the terrorist group Mandarin is supposed to be in charge of, though. The reason Killian has him in the first place is that he can control a terrorist group and be a "face" for his Extremis attacks. Of course it isn't explained even basically how he does that since Mandarin is a figurehead.

    Now I think about it - why wasn't Mandarin guarded by the Ten Rings in the movie? They wouldn't let just anyone guard their leader. Hired guns or not. They'd put him with someone they trust from their own group.
    they were almost certainly planning to do something different with the mandarin circa the first movie, I think. I wonder at what point they changed their minds.

    When Shane Black signed on, possibly. Then there's the Chinese investors which would have had a say in the matter.
    Though I'm not sure Favreau's would have been better. He hates the Mandarin concept as much as Black.
  • -Tal-Tal Truth is elusive It's nowhere to be foundRegistered User regular
    ten rings
    as I understood it they are controlled entirely by AIM, even if they themselves are not aware of it

    they may have some degree of autonomy but ultimately Killian's money and orders are coming down to them under the guise of "The Mandarin"
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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Speaking of the feeling that certain things could have been spelled out more there was an article about the possibility of the stuff that was supposed to be in the Chinese edition but was cut for time being made into a short film like the Coulson ones.

    I can't help but think this implies that some pretty massive chunks were cut from the international release as well.
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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    ten rings
    as I understood it they are controlled entirely by AIM, even if they themselves are not aware of it

    they may have some degree of autonomy but ultimately Killian's money and orders are coming down to them under the guise of "The Mandarin"

    What gives you that idea?
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  • -Tal-Tal Truth is elusive It's nowhere to be foundRegistered User regular
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    ten rings
    as I understood it they are controlled entirely by AIM, even if they themselves are not aware of it

    they may have some degree of autonomy but ultimately Killian's money and orders are coming down to them under the guise of "The Mandarin"

    What gives you that idea?
    the ten rings are led by the mandarin

    killian is the mandarin

    nobody knows he is the mandarin, and people think trevor is the mandarin

    which makes me think nobody in the Ten Rings has ever actually seen the mandarin, perhaps a select few have spoken to trevor while he is method acting

    but the actual orders are coming from killian
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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
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    -Tal wrote: »
    ten rings
    as I understood it they are controlled entirely by AIM, even if they themselves are not aware of it

    they may have some degree of autonomy but ultimately Killian's money and orders are coming down to them under the guise of "The Mandarin"
    But how do they do that while keeping Slattery from being noticed as a figurehead? That's what was confusing. I needed more information to understand how the relationship works between the two groups. Like, did they know Killian was their real leader? How do they contact the Mandarin? Do any high ranking members have audiences with him? If they do are they in contact with Slattery or Killian? If they realize Slattery's a fake why don't they try to unmask him or find him? By shooting counter videos denouncing Slattery they would have given authorities and Stark clues that something fishy is going on. SHIELD had been following the Ten Rings in the first movie and Stark surviving was a big priority to them. So did they know Slattery was a fake? What did they have to gain by not telling Stark or the authorities before the third movie began?
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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Regarding the Mandarin
    I don't think he had appeared as a figurehead until very shortly before the events of IM3, when the Extremis soldiers started blowing up
    Even if Killian controlled the Ten Rings back in the IM and IM2 days, he had no need for a face of the organization, so he hadn't created the character of the Mandarin yet
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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    ten rings
    as I understood it they are controlled entirely by AIM, even if they themselves are not aware of it

    they may have some degree of autonomy but ultimately Killian's money and orders are coming down to them under the guise of "The Mandarin"

    What gives you that idea?
    the ten rings are led by the mandarin

    killian is the mandarin

    nobody knows he is the mandarin, and people think trevor is the mandarin

    which makes me think nobody in the Ten Rings has ever actually seen the mandarin, perhaps a select few have spoken to trevor while he is method acting

    but the actual orders are coming from killian
    Who says the Mandarin controls the Ten Rings? All he has is placecard. He has no soldiers and when Stark is looking for the Extremis explosions he tells Jarvis to bring up all "Mandarin Attacks" which implies that the only attacks associated with him were the Extremis attacks. Which implies to me that the Mandarin is just using their logo and they were pretty much destroyed in Ironman 1.
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  • -Tal-Tal Truth is elusive It's nowhere to be foundRegistered User regular
    Harry Dresden wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    ten rings
    as I understood it they are controlled entirely by AIM, even if they themselves are not aware of it

    they may have some degree of autonomy but ultimately Killian's money and orders are coming down to them under the guise of "The Mandarin"
    But how do they do that while keeping "Trevor" from being noticed as a figurehead? That's what was confusing. I needed more information to understand how the relationship works between the two groups. Like, did they know Killian was their real leader? How do they contact the Mandarin? Do any high ranking members have audiences with him? If they do are they in contact with Slattery or Killian?
    I'm thinking none of these guys have actually spoken to the mandarin in person, and they don't know who the mandarin really is

    he's just a shadowy figure who gives them money and orders, those orders are really coming from Killian but maybe Trevor occasionally relays some via a video broadcast or something to keep up appearances
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  • Fire TruckFire Truck You were a house on fire And I could never understand whyRegistered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Regarding the Mandarin
    I don't think he had appeared as a figurehead until very shortly before the events of IM3, when the Extremis soldiers started blowing up
    Even if Killian controlled the Ten Rings back in the IM and IM2 days, he had no need for a face of the organization, so he hadn't created the character of the Mandarin yet

    I like this explanation.
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  • BlankzillaBlankzilla We were the best, Richard No matter what they sayRegistered User regular
    I think, Ten Rings talk,
    They were an independent organization in Iron Man 1 and 2, but between War Machine and The Avengers and SHIELD they had been pretty weakened if not wiped out.

    So Killian, who had weaponized Extremis in the wake of at least Thor what with his mention of Thor as the reason behind it, simply either bought out or killed the remaining members of the organization and took over the "brand". Much more valuable using an existing organization with history and credibility versus a new one popping up out of nowhere.
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  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    I'm pretty sure that Killian
    was just exploiting an already existing iconography when he created the Mandarin. He just took a bunch of images and ideas that were already associated with international terrorism and slapped them on the Mandarin.
  • -Tal-Tal Truth is elusive It's nowhere to be foundRegistered User regular
    they will probably clear this up in a side comic or something
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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    I think, Ten Rings talk,
    They were an independent organization in Iron Man 1 and 2, but between War Machine and The Avengers and SHIELD they had been pretty weakened if not wiped out.

    So Killian, who had weaponized Extremis in the wake of at least Thor what with his mention of Thor as the reason behind it, simply either bought out or killed the remaining members of the organization and took over the "brand". Much more valuable using an existing organization with history and credibility versus a new one popping up out of nowhere.
    This. The problem that the other theories have is that as a force the Ten Rings don't have a place in IM3's story. Nobody talks about attacking them or rounding up known Ten Rings associates to get info on the Mandarin. No Ten Ring soldiers being used at any point.

    Plus its implied that the only attacks linked to the Mandarin were the Extremis bombings. If the Ten Rings were still making attacks you'd think they would mention it.
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  • BlankzillaBlankzilla We were the best, Richard No matter what they sayRegistered User regular
    There was an IM3 prelude comic starring Rhodey and involved him hunting the Ten Rings but
    from the descriptions I have read it reads like the writer didn't know about the twist in Iron Man 3 and was writing like The Mandarin really was leading The Ten Rings who were really an active organization.

    Which makes sense since more comic writers aren't the best at subtlety and I can see one who go delegated to writing a movie-tie in comic accidently giving away the reveal without intending to.
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  • SirEtchwartsSirEtchwarts Edward Kenway's yer man. Arg, Swashbuckle, Avast, etc.Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    I think, Ten Rings talk,
    They were an independent organization in Iron Man 1 and 2, but between War Machine and The Avengers and SHIELD they had been pretty weakened if not wiped out.

    So Killian, who had weaponized Extremis in the wake of at least Thor what with his mention of Thor as the reason behind it, simply either bought out or killed the remaining members of the organization and took over the "brand". Much more valuable using an existing organization with history and credibility versus a new one popping up out of nowhere.

    Yeah, this was how I read into it.
    Heck, a lot of them get wiped out in Iron Man 1 by Stane, or at least all of the ones responsible for Tony's origin. I think it's safe to say that while the brand is being used, the organization itself isn't. It's not the most satisfactory way to work with that tease, but it'll do.
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  • ToxTox I kill threads Let Piggy Chimp decideRegistered User regular
    Re: Ten Rings
    In IM1 we know they're buying weapons from Stark. It seems odd that Killian would be behind them that far back, since it doesn't seem like his plan really comes together until after IM2 (after Thor, specifically). So it makes more sense that it was a corporate takeover, if anything. He may actually be in charge of the actual Ten Rings by IM3, or he may have just stole their iconography. Either way, it seems exceedingly unlikely he'd be in charge of them during the events of IM1.
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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus The machine is broken. The universe is broken.Registered User regular
    it's kind of funny when you think about how
    people were angry about Ben Kingsley being a whitewashed Mandarin, when it turns out that Guy Pierce, an even whiter guy, is actually the Mandarin
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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
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    Blankzilla wrote: »
    There was an IM3 prelude comic starring Rhodey and involved him hunting the Ten Rings but
    from the descriptions I have read it reads like the writer didn't know about the twist in Iron Man 3 and was writing like The Mandarin really was leading The Ten Rings who were really an active organization.

    Which makes sense since more comic writers aren't the best at subtlety and I can see one who go delegated to writing a movie-tie in comic accidently giving away the reveal without intending to.
    They might not have been told about the twist or the twist was made during production and it was too late to change the story.
    SirEtchwarts wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    I think, Ten Rings talk,
    They were an independent organization in Iron Man 1 and 2, but between War Machine and The Avengers and SHIELD they had been pretty weakened if not wiped out.

    So Killian, who had weaponized Extremis in the wake of at least Thor what with his mention of Thor as the reason behind it, simply either bought out or killed the remaining members of the organization and took over the "brand". Much more valuable using an existing organization with history and credibility versus a new one popping up out of nowhere.

    Yeah, this was how I read into it.
    Heck, a lot of them get wiped out in Iron Man 1 by Stane, or at least all of the ones responsible for Tony's origin. I think it's safe to say that while the brand is being used, the organization itself isn't. It's not the most satisfactory way to work with that tease, but it'll do.
    Stane wipes out a few dozen Ten Ring thugs and Raza. That isn't enough numbers to effect such a large group, unless I was misunderstanding their size. I thought they were an Al Queda counterpart and that's a very large organization on multiple continents. Losing Raza was a big deal, though. That's someone that's hard to replace. There were more people in Stark's area that he escaped from but I didn't expect that to be too big a loss. It was a few dozen men only.
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    I still wish the Mandarin had been more like
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  • ToxTox I kill threads Let Piggy Chimp decideRegistered User regular
    Also at the start of IM2 it's hinted that Stark spent a good deal of the time between movies hunting terrorists.
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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus The machine is broken. The universe is broken.Registered User regular
    But seriously, I think we can all agree that what this movie really needed was a ten story tall alien dragon named Fin Fang Foom.
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  • BlankzillaBlankzilla We were the best, Richard No matter what they sayRegistered User regular
    Centipede Damascus wrote: »
    it's kind of funny when you think about how
    people were angry about Ben Kingsley being a whitewashed Mandarin, when it turns out that Guy Pierce, an even whiter guy, is actually the Mandarin
    Ha, yeah, it's pretty funny but
    the MCU's take on the Mandarin is so different from the traditional one that it doesn't even really feel like white washing, to me.

    If Kingsley had actually been a robe wearing superpowered terrorist leader then yeaaaaaaah

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