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[MOBA] league and dota and smite and qtpie

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  • DruhimDruhim Usagi's cuddlefish Registered User, ClubPA regular
    you are disadvantaged for not playing the game as opposed to those who do play the game? wow
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  • Blue mapBlue map Registered User regular
    Druhim wrote: »
    meta grinding?
    Summoner spells, runes and masteries are locked behind an exp and/or IP gate. Until you play enough matches and grind them out, you are at disadvantage against players who have them.
  • ButtersButters Registered User regular
    Hullis wrote: »
    Those jokes have gotten very, very old recently

    Well, EA grinding my friends through hellish dev cycles and then laying them off while reaping the rewards over and over again has also gotten old. If you think light ribbing and dumb punchlines about bungled user experiences on a webcomic forum is actual EA hate, I dunno man.

    Yeah and it's not like they haven't offered fresh reasons to hate on them recently.
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  • Big Red TieBig Red Tie gem flipping just to get by stack your billions till they get sky highRegistered User regular
    it's supposed to be a fair, competitive game not an mmo
  • ThatDudeOverThereThatDudeOverThere Ymir owns. He fucking owns!Registered User regular
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Druhim wrote: »
    meta grinding?

    summoner levels, runes, champ unlocks

    doesn't smite have this though too, bluemap?

    is has leveling but it doesn't actually effect gameplay... it basically just keeps you out of the really competitive queues for a little bit, and each level is essentially an in-game currency bonus delivery system

    nothing like runes at all, though you've still got to unlock characters

    you can unlock all the characters forever for a one-time price, though
  • Big Red TieBig Red Tie gem flipping just to get by stack your billions till they get sky highRegistered User regular
    that is a smart way to do it

    i could try smite haha
  • Blue mapBlue map Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Druhim wrote: »
    you are disadvantaged for not playing the game as opposed to those who do play the game? wow
    I just prefer wins and losses to be based on fast reactions and knowledge of game mechanics, not because no one on your team could initiate properly because you don't have flash.

    Edit: BRT, do it. Join us.

    Blue map on
  • ThatDudeOverThereThatDudeOverThere Ymir owns. He fucking owns!Registered User regular
    yes, BRT, join us!
  • NaphtaliNaphtali Registered User regular
    Blue map wrote: »
    Druhim wrote: »
    you are disadvantaged for not playing the game as opposed to those who do play the game? wow
    I just prefer wins and losses to be based on fast reactions and knowledge of game mechanics, not because no one on your team could initiate properly because you don't have flash.

    Edit: BRT, do it. Join us.

    to be honest, games at around lvl 12 or so aren't going to be decided by having flash or not, they're going to be decided by the team that has better mechanical play and ability to work together

    restricting summoner spells by level is a thing that can be questioned but suddenly having them or not isn't going to make lower, inexperienced players suddenly better ones
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  • I needed a name to post.I needed a name to post. Registered User regular
    I think there's a pretty solid argument to be made for grinding runes to be kind of messed up, but you are basically not even out of the real tutorial by the time you unlock all your summoners.
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  • TheLawinatorTheLawinator Registered User regular
    Also having my runes get nerfed or whatever and then having to delay getting another champion by a week or else I'm going to be at a disadvantage is farty crap.
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  • DruhimDruhim Usagi's cuddlefish Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Also that it isn't going to match 5 level 3 summoners against 5 level 30 summoners. Yes, there might be a much higher level summoner than you on the opposing team, but then that probably means you have a much higher level summoner on your team as well.
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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Druhim wrote: »
    Also that it isn't going to match 5 level 3 summoners against 5 level 30 summoners. Yes, there might be a much higher level summoner than you on the opposing team, but then that probably means you have a much higher level summoner on your team as well.

    or you've been bumped because the game detects you're smurfing, but usually you'll just be against other low level smurfs
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  • AneurhythmiaAneurhythmia Registered User regular
    The rune system smacks of older PC gaming design, where you just crammed in lots of sub-systems and inventories to manage and currencies to earn so that there are constantly things to do or goals to reach. While there is a level of legit strategy to the practice, it just doesn't feel modern with respect to the dynamics of competitive matches.

    e-sports
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  • Big Red TieBig Red Tie gem flipping just to get by stack your billions till they get sky highRegistered User regular
    also the overarching sense that the entire system is designed to take my money is pretty weak

    in dota if there is a nice hat i want to buy the hat because it is nice
  • KayKay Registered User regular
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Kay wrote: »
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Sara Lynn wrote: »
    Naphtali wrote: »
    what was wrong with lady lynnette?

    When I made it I didn't realize it was going to be my display name ingame. It just sounds kind of roleplay-ish to me, every time I'd play with new people they'd sound kind of weirded out by it. I never really liked it, so I figure after over a year of not liking it I can finally change it for a semi-reasonable price.

    don't worry, you're not alone in making that mistake

    Kay
    It wasn't a mistake! It was an INFORMED CHOICE!

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    the runes & rune pages thing is explicitly a way for them to siphon IP from buying champs so you may be more inclined to buy RP. its part of their moneitization efforts for the game

    that being said you can knock out two cheap sets of runes for most colors that'll work for 99% of the champs in the game

    flat arpen and mpen reds
    flat armor yellows
    flat or scaling mr blues
    move speed or hp quints

    use arpen reds on one page and mpen reds on another, you've got two perfectly fine pages. in time you can fill in with more runs to specialize as you need to, or say fuck it and live with what you got.
    also the overarching sense that the entire system is designed to take my money is pretty weak

    in dota if there is a nice hat i want to buy the hat because it is nice

    they've got to get paid somehow. and eventually you will run out of runes you could ever need, and then all that's left is champs or skins (ie hats)
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  • Blue mapBlue map Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Blue map wrote: »
    Druhim wrote: »
    you are disadvantaged for not playing the game as opposed to those who do play the game? wow
    I just prefer wins and losses to be based on fast reactions and knowledge of game mechanics, not because no one on your team could initiate properly because you don't have flash.

    Edit: BRT, do it. Join us.

    to be honest, games at around lvl 12 or so aren't going to be decided by having flash or not, they're going to be decided by the team that has better mechanical play and ability to work together

    restricting summoner spells by level is a thing that can be questioned but suddenly having them or not isn't going to make lower, inexperienced players suddenly better ones
    Given the general play level at sub 12 I'm definitely inclined to agree that flash more than likely wouldn't make any real impact at low level play beyond occasional escapes, but that just raises the question, why would you restrict its use in the first place? All you're doing is removing the ability for better players to play certain characters effectively, and helping weaker players build bad habits since they wont be playing against flash initiators until they pass an arbitrary prerequisite point. Basically, your knowledge of the game pre level 15 or so doesn't count for shit since that's not actually how league plays once you hit the end game.

    Blue map on
  • I needed a name to post.I needed a name to post. Registered User regular
    also the overarching sense that the entire system is designed to take my money is pretty weak

    in dota if there is a nice hat i want to buy the hat because it is nice

    dota is designed to take your money by getting you into the steam infrastructure
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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Registered User regular
    Blue map wrote: »
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Blue map wrote: »
    Druhim wrote: »
    you are disadvantaged for not playing the game as opposed to those who do play the game? wow
    I just prefer wins and losses to be based on fast reactions and knowledge of game mechanics, not because no one on your team could initiate properly because you don't have flash.

    Edit: BRT, do it. Join us.

    to be honest, games at around lvl 12 or so aren't going to be decided by having flash or not, they're going to be decided by the team that has better mechanical play and ability to work together

    restricting summoner spells by level is a thing that can be questioned but suddenly having them or not isn't going to make lower, inexperienced players suddenly better ones
    Given the general play level at sub 12 I'm definitely inclined to agree that flash more than likely wouldn't make any real impact at low level play beyond occasional escapes, but that just raises the question, why would you restrict its use in the first place? All you're doing is removing the ability for better players to play certain characters effectively, and helping weaker players build bad habits since they wont be playing against flash initiators until they pass an arbitrary prerequisite point. Basically, your knowledge of the game pre level 15 or so doesn't count for shit since that's not actually how league plays once you hit the end game.

    my thought was the reasoning is that they're slowly increasing the things you have to know about as you go. there's already a ton of things somebody new to mobas have to keep track of at any given moment. also players can get to 30 and still not know how to use/perform mechanics well that they were introduced to at level 1 (map awareness, last hitting, etc).
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  • SoaLSoaL Registered User regular
    I think it would be fun to watch a professional-level tournament using level 5 summoners
  • Big Red TieBig Red Tie gem flipping just to get by stack your billions till they get sky highRegistered User regular
    also the overarching sense that the entire system is designed to take my money is pretty weak

    in dota if there is a nice hat i want to buy the hat because it is nice

    dota is designed to take your money by getting you into the steam infrastructure

    which has nothing to do with anything ingame so its a-ok
  • The Cow KingThe Cow King arf arf Registered User regular
    runes and masteries are stupid additional min max and I love min max, but its outside the game and sorta just serves to make every champion feel samey to me

    but non of this matters

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Registered User regular
    SoaL wrote: »
    I think it would be fun to watch a professional-level tournament using level 5 summoners

    it'd certainly lower the number of viable junglers, but with a good leash it might not matter
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  • SoaLSoaL Registered User regular
    i like runes because they let me do stupid builds and play champs in unexpected ways
  • Big Red TieBig Red Tie gem flipping just to get by stack your billions till they get sky highRegistered User regular
    SoaL wrote: »
    i like runes because they let me do stupid builds and play champs in unexpected ways
    i do this too so i have a bunch of cool runes

    and two runepages because riot games
  • The Cow KingThe Cow King arf arf Registered User regular
    as cool as it is to make a full ad sona it still doesn't feel awesome as it could be

    i mean it makes sense

    but it is not even close to force staff + dagon 5 levels of amusement
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  • The Cow KingThe Cow King arf arf Registered User regular
    in my grand opinion
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  • Big Red TieBig Red Tie gem flipping just to get by stack your billions till they get sky highRegistered User regular
    like i bought gold quints and mana runes for bankerdinger top

    never get to use them though!
  • Rorus RazRorus Raz C'est Waa Vie "I'm no PORN EXPERT"Registered User, Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    One new thing they added in Smite was mastery levels. In fact, the old leveling system is getting removed when "beta" ends.

    How it works is that you can Worshipers whenever you win as a particular deity. These are exclusive to that character, so I have 12 worshipers on Neith and 7 on Fenrir. When you get to 100, you have "mastered" that deity and get a mastery level. Which means that the max mastery level you can get is equal to the number of characters currently in the game. It doesn't mean MUCH, but mastering a deity does require a certain number of wins, so it at least indicates familiarity with that character.
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  • Rorus RazRorus Raz C'est Waa Vie "I'm no PORN EXPERT"Registered User, Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Hullis wrote: »
    To be fair, their official statement thing is basically just a string of buzz words that say fuck all about the gameplay.

    Based on that much so far I'm in the camp of not giving a fuck until I see something interesting.
    whoa a PR statement being nothing more than obtuse language??????
    Never forget that "Public Relations" is literally a euphemism for propaganda.
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  • DruhimDruhim Usagi's cuddlefish Registered User, ClubPA regular
    runes and masteries are stupid additional min max and I love min max, but its outside the game and sorta just serves to make every champion feel samey to me

    but non of this matters

    TREANT PROTECTOR INTERNATIONAL QUALIFIERS


    It's not min/max because there's not a mandatory rune page for each champion. There is flexibility if you want to do something different with a champ even if the majority of the playerbase thinks you're an idiot for not following the allegedly "proven" build for a champ. That just means most of the playerbase can't be arsed to actually try anything interesting instead of just following a cookie cutter popular build.
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  • Blue mapBlue map Registered User regular
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Blue map wrote: »
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Blue map wrote: »
    Druhim wrote: »
    you are disadvantaged for not playing the game as opposed to those who do play the game? wow
    I just prefer wins and losses to be based on fast reactions and knowledge of game mechanics, not because no one on your team could initiate properly because you don't have flash.

    Edit: BRT, do it. Join us.

    to be honest, games at around lvl 12 or so aren't going to be decided by having flash or not, they're going to be decided by the team that has better mechanical play and ability to work together

    restricting summoner spells by level is a thing that can be questioned but suddenly having them or not isn't going to make lower, inexperienced players suddenly better ones
    Given the general play level at sub 12 I'm definitely inclined to agree that flash more than likely wouldn't make any real impact at low level play beyond occasional escapes, but that just raises the question, why would you restrict its use in the first place? All you're doing is removing the ability for better players to play certain characters effectively, and helping weaker players build bad habits since they wont be playing against flash initiators until they pass an arbitrary prerequisite point. Basically, your knowledge of the game pre level 15 or so doesn't count for shit since that's not actually how league plays once you hit the end game.

    my thought was the reasoning is that they're slowly increasing the things you have to know about as you go. there's already a ton of things somebody new to mobas have to keep track of at any given moment. also players can get to 30 and still not know how to use/perform mechanics well that they were introduced to at level 1 (map awareness, last hitting, etc).
    Preaching to the choir, oh god.

    I definitely understand wanting to ease people into mechanics slowly, since getting into league league (or any moba really) is incredibly daunting, but arbitrarily limiting your toolkit against players who may or may not have those tools seems like a bad way to handle that, especially since summoners that require far more map awareness and game knowledge, like teleport, are available at level one.

    Also for the record, I don't hate league or think it's a trash game or any dumb shit like that. I just have serious misgivings with how they handle specific aspects with the game.

  • DruhimDruhim Usagi's cuddlefish Registered User, ClubPA regular
    's all cool blue map :^:
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  • ButtersButters Registered User regular
    Yeah teleport being available before flash makes zero sense to me.
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  • MarthMarth Sad Schaub Registered User regular
    Is there an elo level for league people like me that aren't very good but are trying hard to be good?

    Besides playing with y'all, of course.
  • NaphtaliNaphtali Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    Yeah teleport being available before flash makes zero sense to me.

    it allows new players more forgiveness in getting back to lane if they die early/have to recall and nobody else can come defend their tower
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