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All he needs to be is a suspect and he'll hang IMO. Proof isn't a big concern to nobles in Westeros, though it can help. As long as you keep it away from powerful people who'd destroy it the first chance they get re: Cersei ripping up King Robert's will.
And Oberyn is a prince of Dorne, he can't be hanged on a suspicion.
Then he'll be secretly kidnapped, used for Joffrey's target practice and buried somewhere nobody will find the corpse.
Yeah but that was within the bounds of honor. In a tricksy way, for sure, but absolutely within the rules of the game. The Lannisters can seeth but not really do anything about it.
Poisoning Tywin as a guest under his roof, at his dinner table? He'd disgrace his family's entire name. It's not enough to be a snake, you'd also have to be a dumbass.
And no, I don't believe Oberyn was working that closely with Doran. If he was he would never have pushed the issue like he did. Doran wanted him to remain patient a while longer. But Oberyn decided that he had enough waiting.
Varys is a guy I expect to use poison to frame Oberyn since he's the logical number 1 suspect.
Yep, Robb is ready to turn it all around. Or...not. So many pissed people incoming.
The death of Tywin serves the end of both Varys and Oberyn. Oberyn for his revenge, and Varys because Tywin was in "danger" of actually stabilizing the realm. Which Varys did not want. So he had to remove Tywin just like he would later remove Kevan.
The fact that not one single post so far over in that Show-Only Thread has made even one tiny INKLING of an idea that Robb may be facing death has me fucking GIDDY. Of course it'll probably be met with apathy like "yeah I figured that was coming" from 95% of them.
But that 5%...
Poison isn't like shooting a guy in the head, it's not like there's a set time limit for when he might have done it (not to mention err, westerosi investigation techniques being what they are)
Not to mention his alibi to the question, "Where were you when Tywin drank his poisoned wine?" would have been, "Sitting right next to him at his dinner table?"
If his bladder and bowels were shut down:
If you want to assume it's just locking up the muscles and preventing the physical act then there is no reason why loss of autonomic control (i.e. death) would fix it.
The whole thing seems to be misinterpreting the fact that GRRM is fairly accurately (or more accurately than normal) showing the stuff that happens a body dies. It doesn't matter if the body was once a person who was fairly impressive, they still shit themselves and then rot once they are just meat.
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I don't follow your logic on this one. If the poisoning was done days earlier, he would have quite a bit to shit out. The fact that he wouldn't be able to is another story but constipation is quite uncomfortable so it's not completely surprising that he'd be trying.
Anyway, it's a cool theory that made me re-examine something I had previously only interpreted as a metaphor.
Depends on what they mean by "shut down". If it was just constipation then the muscles relaxing (what happens when you die and why you soil yourself) wouldn't fix that. If it were something more complicated further up the track there wouldn't be anything at the end of the colon to let go.
All of which just seems like a clever answer in search of a problem. The timing is poor for Oberyn (and the plan suicidal.) For Varys....well if we didn't have a Tyrion POV would we be certain he didn't just shoot the crossbow into Tywin after/before dropping off the dwarf? It's overly complicated for no real reason.
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Nothing wrong with theorycrafting for theorycrafting's sake.
Your face is a stupid overly complicated theory that serves no narrative purpose.
That would be war. Dorne is not governed by idiots and the Iron Throne is not safe without their military and monetary support.
Oberyn died the only way he could without heads rolling; he died by his own public decision.
"There is not a man of us who does not at times need a helping hand to be stretched out to him, and then shame upon him who will not stretch out the helping hand to his brother."
Goddamn. Every single read through I'm pissed off when the turn comes and Oberyn fucks it all up. The various weddings and Ned get a lot of hype, but that moment still riles me up the most. Every horrible thing Gregor has done up to that moment is solely to make that scene more infuriating, and I respect that, but goddamnit Oberyn just SWING THE FUCKING SWORD ALREADY.
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It's established earlier in the book that the Mountain has severe headaches (acromegaly?) so drinks milk of the poppy like other men drink ale. He might actually be largely immune to pain.
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And then he's also just a rage-a-holic, so I mean, take your pick I guess.
I don't think that's accurate. Both the Hound and the Comedian when faced with the fact that the universe is indifferent and that people can be awful, turn to despair and embrace nihilism in their own way. With Moore such a character becomes a pathetic and pitiful figure, with Martin he's an imposing straight-talker. How that reflects on the writers themselves, I leave for you to decide.
What's "great" about Littlefinger is that he doesn't despair, but instead commits himself fully to being ambitious. He's a truthfully realized Randian hero.
Except far, far better written.
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Or maybe fucking her brother.
One of those two.
Nah.
Cersei's greatest fuck up is Joffrey.
A jillion times that little bastard could have been stabbed.
A Game of Thrones: 1996
A Clash of Kings: 1999
A Storm of Swords: 2000
A Feast for Crows: 2005
A Dance With Dragons: 2011
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But Oberyn wins in the end. Dorne is playing the long game. Sure Oberyn dies, but he gets his revenge. The Mountain is an undead monster and Dorne is going to war.
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This piece on yesterday's Morning Edition backs up the claim; the original data is from Social Security.