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A Thread of A Series of Books of A Song of Ice and Fire (BOOK AND TV SPOILERS HERE)
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Well, maybe.
Littlefinger reminds me of Steerpike. Man of low birth and great cunning trying to rise up in a rigid hierarchical society. Perhaps with less madness and more disturbing emotional attachments.
And I'll also fall in the camp of TtH being the worst book in the series. The climax is one of the best, but the style of writing for the rest of the book to get there just dragged too much.
Never heard of starting with House of Chains before and I guess, I can see it, but that while intro was intended to be off - putting, so I'm not sure it's the best first impression.
More than you know.
This is from a post on the tv show thread.
When can we expect the Dornish to show up? Season 4? I'm sure in the book they'd arrived by the time of the RW. Or is it all being moved up to Season 4?
With Stannis and the wall. I expect that to be the big finale in Episode 10. Then for Season 4 will they be using the events in book 5 while all the Kings Landing stuff from book 3 happens?
I'm just trying to make sense of how they will adapt Part 2 of SOS, AFFC, and ADWD. Because there is a lot of chronological overlap.
Tomorrow: Brienne fights in the bear pit and Jaime turns back to rescue her, Davos released, Stannis/Mel cast their spell, Tyrion/Sansa get married, Hound kidnaps Arya
Next week: Dany arrives at Yunkai, Balon dies, Hound and Arya cross the Trident, Sansa gets a hairnet, some other stuff
Weekend after Memorial Day: Red Wedding, Queenscrown Hound and Arya escape, other stuff
Finale: Dany takes Yunkai, Jon arrives at Castle Black, first attack, Ygritte bites it , Davos reads a letter and goes to Stannis, Arya stabs some Lannisters, Stoneheart
4.01: Oberyn and company arrive in King's Landing, Arya leaves the Hound to die, Dany heads towards Meereen
4.02: Mance arrives at the Wall, discussions about Dorne, final wedding prep, Arya makes it to a ship, Bran and Sam make it to Night's Fort
4.03: Purple wedding
4.04: Battles at the wall, Tyrion considers his defense, possibly around here at some point we move the Kingsmoot up a bit, Meereen's champion falls, probably end on Slynt showing up and threatening to hang Jon
4.05: Stannis arrives in the north, Sam and Gilly make it back to Castle Black, Arya makes it to Bravos, Jaime makes it to King's Landing, Littlefinger/Sansa get to the Eyrie (thematic cohesion and your mid-season transition episode)
4.06: Jon elected Lord Commander, some other stuff, I dunno
4.07: Stannis offers Winterfell to Jon, Tyrion demands trial by combat again, Dany confronts Jorah about his treason
4.08: Jorah/Barristan/Grey Worm and friends go through the sewers and take Meereen for Dany, Jorah banished, Oberyn drops Tyrion's life (closing scene, obviously), Jon declines Stannis' offer
4.09: Tyrion's escape, Shae's death, Tywin's death, maybe some other stuff, but I'll bet that's the focus, basically
4.10: Sansa builds a castle, Dany decides to stay and rule, "Only Cat"
Also, the Stoneheart reveal would be topical as the season cliffhanger. Re-introducing her next season, your general TV viewer might've forgotten who she is. One episode after the biggest oh shit moment of the series they'll still definitely remember her.
I might be misremembering things, but in the book we first meet her when a Frey goes to the Brotherhood to negotiate the release of another Frey. It would be hard to imagine they'd be able to keep that bit if the RW happened literally the episode before. I agree that putting it in the season finale would give people something to talk about for the next season, but that would work just as well from 4-5 as 3-4. Plus if it wasn't clear who it was there'd be something else to discuss. At the end of the day I trust the showrunners to do it right no matter how it happens, but I do think it would work best as it is in the book.
They can change the reasons. Instead of hostage negotiation, maybe they just gank a Frey.
I hope they do. It's such a great image, and it wasn't foreshadowed by the House of the Undying for the show people.
It's not the reason that concerns me so much as the timing. Makes less sense to be out hunting Freys that quickly after the RW (gonna take time for it all to get back to the Brotherhood as they're not the most plugged in to the machinations of the nobles, being in the woods and all), gotta get the word out first and Stoneheart is dead for a few days before they even revive her. It just seems like it'd be a lot more work to speed up the reveal without a compelling reason to do so, which I'm struggling to come up with.
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It could be Arya warging into Nymeria for the first time and finding the body right before the Brotherhood does. They have to introduce Arya warging at some point, seems like the perfect opportunity to.
For that matter Jon hasn't sent the letter for aid yet.
Also a fair point.
Is this based on anything, or is it just Speculation?
I think it's a little early for Stoneheart to be this season's ending stinger -- but then, I've completely forgotten all but the vague outlines of the novels, so eh (Ygritte dies? Bah!).
I understand how you feel. I just don't think it'll happen.
The cast has to stay engaged, and I have a veeeery strong feeling that they are going to be digging into books 4 and 5 next season after episode 6 or so, so making Stoneheart the season finale of season 4 would be too late.
They want to put a bow around this in 7-8 seasons, I have heard. If that is true, then depending on the girth of later books and how much material they may need to cover, it would be wise to not spend two full seasons telling books 4 and 5.
Summarize.
1). Lyanna Stark. Supposed to be dead, but we all know that means jack shit. Could confirm R+ L=J
2). Ashara Dayne. Also supposed to be dead. If R+L=J doesn't pan out, she could be Jon's mother
3). Someone else who will turn out to be important
4). Someone else who will not turn out to be important
The Mountain wants to hang him anyway. Just to be sure.
In a fair, just world, the Mountain-that-detects would have his own show. The episode of the week episodes would have the Mountain using the full range of his detective skills, hanging people until he solved the mystery in each episode. Like, "Is there gold hidden in the village?" "Is there silver? Gems?" "Is there food?" "Where is Lord Beric? Where did he go? How many men were with him?" And then, the show's overarching plot would feature the Mountain trying to hang men until he got to the bottom of the conspiracy to kill Jon Arryn.
Like the residents of Westeros, we do not live in a fair, just world.
Quotes from TWOP:
I love it when anyone says "Very poor writting."
The biggest problem the unspoiled at TWOP are having is that most aren't considering that the attacks on Bran are unrelated to the death of Jon Arryn; though they benefited Littlefinger, he in no way planned them.
Edit: The non book thread seems to be in a tiff about the Theon scenes... how I wish I could say that we do not know what is going to happen either just the end product.
What're the odds that Talisa was writing to her mother, 0%? Right, 0%. I wasn't onboard with her being a Lannister spy before, but that scene completely flipped my opinion.
annnnnd there's the chain of gold for Shae. Perfectly setup to murder the emotions of the show watchers.
And Tormund! So nice of you to join us. HAR.
Was the Blackfish at the Red Wedding and taken captive? I forget. I know they held Edmure until they figure out if the girl's pregnant.
Blackfish has to one-line his way out so he can hold Riverrun against the Freys later.