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A Thread of A Series of Books of A Song of Ice and Fire (BOOK AND TV SPOILERS HERE)
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Oh, and I fucking loathe the torture scenes. I'm not going to pretend I know a better way to do this, I'm not a show runner. I just know I hate it and can't wait for it to be over.
They gave Qyburn a scene, but for some reason they didn't use one of his best lines from the book, which IIRC went "for centuries the Maesters of the Citadel have cut open the bodies of the dead, to better understand life. I cut open the bodies of the living, to better understand death." Summed up Qyburn in a single sentence.
Wasn't most of that in his head, the rhyming? I don't see then using it.
And there's no other way to do it. Theon is tortured and broken by Ramsay. So we see Theon get tortured and broken by Ramsay. You're not supposed to enjoy it. I do hope we're nearing the end, though, like I said...not because I can't deal with it, but because it's narrative purpose is nearly served and it will get boring in addition to uncomfortable soon.
I'm sure Theon feels your pain :rotate:
And I don't see why the lack of the original Reek means that they have to drop the name entirely. The whole point is that Ramsay breaks him and he's not Theon anymore, he belongs to Ramsay and as such Ramsay gives him a new name. The rhyming, while not essential to the character, is probably going to stay as one of those 'hi there book people' things just like 'you know nothing, jon snow.'
Most of it, yeah. But presumably that behavior came from somewhere.
So we'd hear Ramsay say it a lot, and blah.
Which is exactly what they were trying to engender
So, congrats, show runners
Somehow, I doubt the feeling they wanted was "I do not want to watch this."
It's supposed to make you really uncomfortable and, to an extent, be torturous to the viewer
Did it make you quit the show?
No?
Then yeah, I suspect that level of uncomfortableness is precisely what they wanted.
That hasn't happened since the Mountain hanged twenty men last night.
Showing yet another mind game and yet another body part cut off accomplishes what, in terms of character or plot development? Any more nitty-gritty details of Theon's gruesome torture at this point are just superfluous. And involving two hot naked girls (who seem awfully well-adjusted) seems mostly some weird torturous cousin to "sexposition" that's been (thankfully) missing since the first season.
I would much rather have a scene of Roose giving the strip of leather to Robb, "here's Theon's flayed finger," and watching *that* interaction.
So I guess torture does make people talk. Well that's settled then.
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People who say they're repetitive just aint paying attention.
Or they're skipping the scenes and then ignorantly complaining about something they know nothing about.
I don't think we have seen anything near this extreme before this point. This is far more important then alot of previous shit because this is permanent and disfiguring and can never be undone. As someone said earlier, before now there was always the hope he'd come out ok. No longer.
I'd say they have somewhat dropped the ball on convincing people it's going somewhere.
But I think the viewers problems is one of expectations. They think it's useless precisely because they won't entertain the idea that it's going somewhere. To them it's either faffing about till Theon gets out and continues his story or faffing about till Theon dies. From my reading of comments on it, I don't think many are quite getting the implication that this is Theon's development.
And in that vein, I think it's kinda funny in that the torture scenes are almost not doing the point because no matter how explicit they are, they can't get across the idea that this is not something that will be overcome.
On top of that, having the TV audience not yet know(if they haven't figured it out) that Ramsay is who he is, it makes the audience get a taste of not understanding who is even doing this to him that Theon is experiencing.
This is Theons story. This is what he gets.
And not knowing who Ramsay is doesnt help. Though I agree that might be adding a cool element allowing the viewer to connect more with Theons predicament...I the viewer lets it.
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I think getting your dick chopped off is a HUGE difference. That's something you can't come back from. Even Jaime's hand isn't that extreme and that in and of itself is a huge big of change that everyone recognized as shocking and character defining.
Aye, Roose had another grown son who was slightly older than Ramsay, and when he found out he had a brother he ran to meet Ramsay... and upon returning to the Dreadfort died of a "bad belly", the belief being Ramsay promptly poisoned his own brother to make sure he would be the only possible heir to the Dreadfort.
surely Ros's death was much more graphic or was it merely me being caught off guard by it?
Seeing a tortured Theon wouldn't be as bad as seeing the act happening.
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Quite frankly I'm somewhat surprised Ramsay didn't straight out knife and gut his brother in an open street.
Roose telling this story to someone would be an excellent lead-in to Ramsay's reveal to Theon.
Instead, next season have Ramsay in some scenes with Roose to clue the audience in.
The Mountain isn't interested in talking, he gets results from hanging. Its 100% effective. Everyone dies and the real culprit must have been killed by hanging eventually. And if they weren't he'd hang more people until they were caught.
To quick. Ramsey likes his victims to suffer.
Might be the Titan's Bastard, the merc captain they give the wine to and then slaughter while he's trashed
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looks like that's how it is, cuz Daario is standing behind him in the full preview image
From my perspective, they're just frontloading the Theon/Reek story, because it just wouldnt work as a reveal.
It isnt as cool as the way the book handled it, but I can understand why it works for the show.
I wonder if it'll be revealed to the audience by Roose showing the skin from Theon's finger to Cat just before the Red Wedding. I believe he does something similar in the books.
Of course, I haven't watched any of season 3 yet, but I don't mind reading TV spoilers. I'm quite looking forward to the show thread's reaction to the RW.