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A Thread of A Series of Books of A Song of Ice and Fire (BOOK AND TV SPOILERS HERE)
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It's been a while since I've read it, but as I remember it was an abject lesson about reality. Knights are not honorable, nor noble. They are murderers. This is the Mountain's philosophy (as a knight) and he impressed that on his little brother in a way he wouldn't forget.
The Mountain is the type of character that exemplifies the reality that the book puts forth. He's an asshole, but he's not being dishonest about it. He sees the world as it is and is comfortable with his privileged place in that hierarchy. The Hound may have echoes of romanticism, but it's buried deep. Recall his nonchalance about killing the common boy.
"There is not a man of us who does not at times need a helping hand to be stretched out to him, and then shame upon him who will not stretch out the helping hand to his brother."
I don't know, I get the sense that Ramsay is more aware than people give him credit for. He is brutal and sadistic but he knows what others think of him and I think that he may be using that reputation to get others to underestimate him.
What? They were kids, it had nothing to do with any sort of philosophy. The Mountain is just a giant asshole, and always has been.
I never said they excused anything.
Ben Kuchera on Snow and Ygritte.
Ben, you gonna get Martin'd
"The seed is strong."
I did read all the books though, so predictions/baseless guessing for the future (double check to see if this is the book-thread):
- Anybody find it funny that Cersei's live now depends on a uhm... man? named Robert?
- I'm convinced that Stannis will end up as Lord Commander of the Night Watch at the end of the series. He'd not be a good king, but he's exactly the kind of guy the Night's Watch needs and what he has seen will convince him that it's a job worth doing.
Maybe in the real world. Not necessarily in ASOIAF!
Man, that was, like the most important plot point of season #1. Remember Ned's book. The seed IS strong. Period, full stop.
Yeah, but Jon could be R/B and she's R/R so the kids could end up R/R too.
The point is that Lannister blonde is recessive, Baratheon dark is dominant, or that there is a mystical component to the Lannister/Baratheon match. It also doesn't mean that all the blondes in Westeros share the same genes for being blonde as the Lannisters. Even in the real world, multiple genes can determine hair color. The genes in the real world that cause blonde hair for people in Oceania is different than the gene that causes blonde hair in western Europe. More to the point, there is absolutely no guarantee that the same genes are present in Westeros. It is entirely possible that in Westeros you can find blonde hair or red hair as dominant traits.
Unless what you're saying is that the possible mystical component trumps all, and that hair color in Westeros is determined by the strength of a man's seed, in which case...
It may have a mystical component, but you don't have to go that far. Jon Arryn went through the entire family tree of the Baratheons and found that the black hair phenotype always was expressed.
"There is not a man of us who does not at times need a helping hand to be stretched out to him, and then shame upon him who will not stretch out the helping hand to his brother."
Leave in the part about Dany getting turned on.
Right, and I'm not saying that Baratheon black isn't dominant.
I'm saying Stark dark isn't necessarily dominant, kiss-by-fire red isn't necessarily recessive.
Westeros is a different place, and different genes could be expressing those traits than in the real world.
They are also 80/20 Stark-Warg / Tully-Naive. (Edmure / Lysa / Sansa)
Red hair is pretty rare in Westeros, hence why the Wildlings consider it special
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This would suggest a recessive phenotype.
Good point.
Though Rickon is non-existent, and Jon had his elements of naivety (idealism) until they were beaten out of him by the Real World. Sansa just hasn't learned as quickly.
That sounds familiar, even Bran though? *wikiwiki*
Well shit, even Bran. Red hair blue eyes.
Thanks a lot, Show.
You know nothing TV Show.
Feral Vanu Magrider Jockey
Well being a red head connoisseur of sorts they are described as Auburn or Brownish-red (Tullys, Cat etc) whereas the wildlings are true Scottish fire red. I know splitting hairs but to some there is a difference.
I thought Jon looked the part, though most of the internet would tell you that he's Lyanna's kid and not Ned's. Either way, he's got no Tully/redhaired blood.
Catelyn mentions that Jon looks more like a Stark than any of her kids, and that's part of why she doesn't like him.
http://kotaku.com/the-best-game-of-thrones-game-is-becoming-the-ultimate-506103746
(They're adding Essos to the GOT mod)
It's like they heard me!
They did say they'd probably do that as soon as republics were supported in the game, so not surprising.
But also, fuck yes. Time for scheming, mercenaries and faceless men.
Read Rome AARisen. That shit is basically a book series at this point.
It's worth noting that if Aegon is indeed Rhaegar's progeny than Targaryen-blonde is dominant over black hair
Which kinda screws up that whole R+L=J thing, but for some reason no one ever mentions that
Tully red is dominant over Stark black, except when it isn't.
The only hair color in the series that is truly dominant over all others is Baratheon black.
And yet it has never happened in the history of Baratheons.
When black stag has mated with the blond lion.
Actually a lot of people think that points to him being the 'mummer's dragon', and basically a Varys plant.