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A Thread of A Series of Books of A Song of Ice and Fire (BOOK AND TV SPOILERS HERE)
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So yes, the Red Wedding will be glorious. Then Joffrey's death, then Tywins.
2 books later and it's still a pressing concern for me!
I can't wait to see the meltdown.
Yeah, they were all camped on the coast at some place called... *wiki search* Hardhome.
Melisandre had a vision of everyone there being killed by the Others.
All I know is Episode 8 better be amazing to help me endure two weeks before 9.
Welcome to the world on this side.
And all the book threads for the next four to six years while I wait for book six to come out.
Welcome! Now prepare to learn just how much you missed while you were reading.
Well it looks like we'll get Coldhands, Tyrion pissing off Joffrey, a Daario sans blue beard and gold mustache, and possibly Sam the Slayer. It could be excellent.
And Balon should die, which means we might get a glimpse of that baller ass fireplace again. So that's cool too.
Don't judge her, it got lonely in that cave.
Do you think they'll confirm Balon's death? Because I remain a skeptic.
I hope we see him either way, his actor was too good for that brief glimpse.
Welcome to the world on this side.
I'd be happy if we just get a scene of his daughter coming over, peeps rushing over to tell her about her dad dying in a freak accident, and then in the background we can see Jaqen in his new face strolling off to the next boat leaving the island
I totally missed that Theon got his dick chopped off in ADWD the first time around.
Also, I nominate Wyman Manderly for KING IN THE NORTH!
Tyrion pissing off Joffrey/Tywin sending Joff to his room isn't till the finale. I seem to remember Tyrion threatening to geld Joff after he said he wants to send Robb's head to Sansa.
How is the rest of Theon's arc for this season going to go down? There's no mention of him in the next three episode summaries, and he wasn't in the episode eight preview. We know Yara shows up at some point thanks to the trailers. How does this all resolve?
However, we also saw that in the preview for episode eight, Melisandre appeared to be putting leeches on Gendry's stomach. So, Lord Balon's death can't take place until after that. My guess is that they'll do a segue at some point, either in episode nine or episode ten, from Yara arriving on Pyke to talk to Balon about Theon, to Theon finally recognizing that his captor is Ramsay Snow, and then back to Pyke for Balon's tumble off the bridge.
Episode nine seems the best place for it, right before the Red Wedding, to show that Stannis' curse is carrying through, and to provide the final hint that the Boltons are bad news. However, because episode nine will be busy as hell, they may save it til episode ten, though that would really undercut whatever sense of purpose Theon's arc this season might have had.
Also, I'd bet that when Theon finally figures out the truth, he refers to Ramsay (accidentally or not) as a bastard, which sends Ramsay into a fury which culminates in Theon's apparent death, to set up the appearance of Reek in season five. This will probably also lead to the folks in the show-only thread complaining about a second season where Theon's arc ends with his potential death at the hands of the Boltons.
Dude makes Joffrey seem endearing.
He's like fantasy's answer to Iago
The Mountain has a rival, I see.
Speculation:
Burned by dragons. Still alive. Someone tries,to move him, sloughing all the skin off his body at once. Still Alive.. Begs for death. Gets it from Theon or Not Arya.
Ramsay has a level of forethought and intelligence that characters like Joffery and the Mountain lack.
Yeah, he's a particularly self-aware brand of evil.
The Mountain is a force of nature. Yes, the Mountain is terrifying as hell. Yes, he could kill you as soon as look at you. Or rape you. Or throw you to the dogs. Or just break your arms and legs and leave you exposed to the elements to die slowly. But though there's malice there, it's not really directed malice. It's pointed at whatever is in his way. He's a landslide, and if you're out of his way he doesn't really care, so long as he can crush the things that are in his way. Ramsey is different. Ramsey is thinking, directed, deliberate malice. For him, creating pain isn't a momentary passing pleasure like it is for the Mountain. For Ramsey its about prolonging it, it's about targeting it, it's about twisting the knife. If the Mountain wanted you dead, at worse it'd take a few terrible hours. If Ramsey wanted you dead, it could takes years, or decades. Ramsey isn't a force of nature like the Mountain, but he's insidious and far more terrifying in his own way.
It's like the Joker compared to Solomon Grundy.
To me Ramsay is a guy that could only flourish on the brink of winter. Any other time, a guy so brutal and unpleasant would be dealt with. But with the creeping barbarism emerging in the north with the onset of fall and winter, Ramsay's found his niche.
Part of the reason I don't care for him in the show is that I didn't care for him in the books either. Some people have so few redeeming qualities that they don't even make good villains.
He succeeds because of who his father is and because he's in the right place at the right time. And even then, he only succeeds against those weaker than him.
His comeuppance are almost inevitable because he can't stay protected forever. (or it's not likely anyway)
Two words - Vargo Hoat.
In fact, I'd say he and Ramsay are very much akin, though Ramsay is smarter and revels in more delicate sadism.
I always read the Mountain as just constantly simmering with low-grade anger against everything, possibly in part due to this. His callousness is a sort of revenge against the world. For him deliberate cruelty is a casual, occasional thing rather than a full-time hobby.
The mountain has a weird kind of authenticity about him. He doesn't pretend to be anything other than what he is (probably in part because he can't). It's what makes him such an effective foil for the Hound. He's what the Hound easily could have been.
Yeah, I missed that bit too, although I guess in the show it's more explicit.
Honestly I'm still more squicked out by the repeated references to how painfully shattered Theon's teeth are, and the whole psychological Stockholm Syndrome aspects of his transformation into Reek that thinking "oh yeah, I guess he's cock-free now" doesn't really add much.
Edit: And the Mountain's cruelty seems more apropos for the faux-Medieval setting, while Ramsay seems more like a serial killer transposed into that setting, which makes his cruelty seem a bit more jarring to me.
Titan's Bastard I think.
I don't remember him at all.
I guess we get this douchebag but not Strong Belwas? This is bullshit : (
Her intonation is just perfect.
Migraines excuse nothing.
Its kind of an important part of establishing Daarios character.
But yeah II agree no Strong Belwas is dumb.