[Iron Man 3] is out now! Man of Steel coming soon.

Mysst

but his hand not being blown off means we don't get the 'crucifixion'

Vargas Prime

Please don't tell me Robocop has people hands

Please let that just be "takin' off my robot hands cuz they're sweaty"

Undead Scottsman

Balefuego wrote: »

They've all said the former, but not the latter.

If he really wanted he could easily have extended the series with a comic book - the Buffy continuation series has been running for 6 years and is still trucking and he's written a number of the issues himself and retains an overseeing role.

He's done with Firefly, he's said so himself. Enjoy what we have and stop begging him to revisit the past instead of letting him make something new.

Uh, there was a comic book.

Mysst

Vargas Prime wrote: »

Please don't tell me Robocop has people hands

Please let that just be "takin' off my robot hands cuz they're sweaty"

unless they CG it out, it appears to be the case

Antimatter

Undead Scottsman wrote: »

I think someone hit the nail on the head when this was announced.

Robocop is a product of the 80's. Back then robots were invisioned as big, clunky, chunky and slow and Robocop was right in the middle of that.

Now-a-days we envision robots as inhumanly capable; fast and agile while retaining incredible strength and durability. By all accounts, this new Robocop seems to be a product of this current era of scifi.

nope
the original robocop was going to have a murphy as flexible as a snake, and he wouldve been able to dance
the suit was supposed to be aerodynamic and speedy looking

the suit was too heavy so they changed it

Renzo

Undead Scottsman wrote: »

Balefuego wrote: »

They've all said the former, but not the latter.

If he really wanted he could easily have extended the series with a comic book - the Buffy continuation series has been running for 6 years and is still trucking and he's written a number of the issues himself and retains an overseeing role.

He's done with Firefly, he's said so himself. Enjoy what we have and stop begging him to revisit the past instead of letting him make something new.

Uh, there was a comic book.

There were a few. But no continuation, like what they're doing with Buffy's 8th and 9th seasons.

But yeah, it's not like he hasn't revisited that setting.

Grey Ghost

Antimatter wrote: »

Undead Scottsman wrote: »

I think someone hit the nail on the head when this was announced.

Robocop is a product of the 80's. Back then robots were invisioned as big, clunky, chunky and slow and Robocop was right in the middle of that.

Now-a-days we envision robots as inhumanly capable; fast and agile while retaining incredible strength and durability. By all accounts, this new Robocop seems to be a product of this current era of scifi.

nope
the original robocop was going to have a murphy as flexible as a snake, and he wouldve been able to dance
the suit was supposed to be aerodynamic and speedy looking

the suit was too heavy so they changed it

was... was he going to dance at any point?

Gatsby

Whedon said very recently if you take everything into account, the show is pretty much gone. He misses it, misses his chance, but Fillion is busy with Castle, the others are scattered in various roles, he's got everything he's working on with Marvel and how his work will tie in with their future projects, and he wants to do Dr. Horrible 2 more than a tv show that ended a decade ago.

Not to mention when asked about kickstarter with Veronica Mars cited, he mentioned bringing back a grounded television series that focuses on real world situations with the help of crowd sourcing is nowhere near the same scale as tackling the revival of a decade old sci-if show that would still pass by standards these days especially with all of the factors mentioned before.

It's unrealistic, the show is known more for fans rabidly demanding it come back than what actually happened in it, and it got a second chance already with a pretty okay film. The horse is dead. Let's move on to better and brighter new things.

Seriously

instead of a space western, a space noir

Balefuego

Undead Scottsman wrote: »

Balefuego wrote: »

They've all said the former, but not the latter.

If he really wanted he could easily have extended the series with a comic book - the Buffy continuation series has been running for 6 years and is still trucking and he's written a number of the issues himself and retains an overseeing role.

He's done with Firefly, he's said so himself. Enjoy what we have and stop begging him to revisit the past instead of letting him make something new.

Uh, there was a comic book.

a couple of miniseries, one bridging the show and the movie and one exploring Book's backstory. That's it.

Buffy had 40 issue "Season 8" series and is a further 23 issues into "Season 9" which also has a spinoff sister book that runs parallel so you could actually call that a further 46 issues.

Snowbeat

like a television show based on a movie based on a comic book!

Antimatter

Peter Weller had in the meantime hired Moni Yakim, the head of the Movement Department at Juilliard, to help create an appropriate way for him to move his body while wearing the Robo suit.[15] He and Moni had envisioned Robocop moving like a snake, dancing around and moving very elusively. The suit, however, proved to be too heavy and cumbersome. Instead, at the suggestion of Moni, it was decided that they would slow down RoboCop's movements in order to make them more appealing and plausible.

Gatsby

Seriously wrote: »

instead of a space western, a space noir

Yeah okay let's dance this dance

Also on the topic of comics, I've been catching up with Waid's Daredevil run

Holy hell that is one damn fine ongoing

Undead Scottsman

Hey, look at this from four months ago.

Cancelled by Fox in 2002 before its first season had even run its course, the sci-fi western Firefly frequently lands on lists of TV shows that fans would love to see resurrected. But more than a decade on, there's obviously no hope Firefly will return. Is there?

"I'll never really accept it," Whedon said of the end of Firefly, when I spoke to him during his stop in Toronto a while back. "And I always, in the back of my head, think, 'What if I could get the old gang back together?' "

OK, you've got my attention now. Get the Firefly gang back together? Do go on.

"Well, you know, it's something I would love to do," Whedon said. He even admits to being a sucker for this sort of punishment: "When I made Serenity (2005's feature film continuation of Firefly's storyline), I said here's one thing I'll never do again -- a movie based on something that some people know about and some people don't, with tons of characters who all know each other and who you have to introduce.

"And then my second movie was The Avengers."

Source: http://www.torontosun.com/2013/01/25/joss-whedon-would-love-firefly-to-take-flight

So, like I said, Joss doesn't seem to be opposed to the idea.

EDIT: Logistics of ACTUALLY doing it make it unlikely, of course, what with everyone spread to the four winds. But my point was never that it was likely to happen.

Snowbeat

can everyone everywhere please stop having this conversation now

Buttlord

Mysst wrote: »

but his hand not being blown off means we don't get the 'crucifixion'

one of his hands didn't get blown off in the original either

one of the techs actually says that they can save it and bob's like nah son cut that shit off

Undead Scottsman

Snowbeat wrote: »

can everyone everywhere please stop having this conversation now

Go find us something shiny to distract us, then. :P

It's early-mid morning on a Tuesday here in the states, not a whole lot going on.

Buttlord

the original robocop design looks like it was designed in the 80s

do you know why

because it was a robot designed in the 80s both irl and in the super80s detroit of the movie

raise your hand if you think a 1980s design would fit with the modern idea of a robot cop

Snowbeat

if a decade of shiny things haven't managed to distract you from this stupid fixation, then I'm not quite sure what I could do

Dex Dynamo

kickstarter campaign to relaunch airwolf

who's with me

Gatsby

Buttlord wrote: »

the original robocop design looks like it was designed in the 80s

do you know why

because it was a robot designed in the 80s both irl and in the super80s detroit of the movie

raise your hand if you think a 1980s design would fit with the modern idea of a robot cop

Well I would but someone was all aboard the "total body prosthesis" train...

LTM

Dex Dynamo wrote: »

kickstarter campaign to relaunch airwolf

who's with me

Man, that theme song.

And Ernest Borgnine.

see317

Dex Dynamo wrote: »

kickstarter campaign to relaunch airwolf

who's with me

Can we have it cross over with Knight Rider?

Dichotomy

Snowbeat wrote: »

can everyone everywhere please stop having this conversation now

now that that's over, let's talk about the robocop redesign

Gatsby

Better idea, we've talked heaps about who we'd cast as Murdoch/Daredevil but

Who would you cast as Foggy Nelson?

Snowbeat

Dichotomy wrote: »

Snowbeat wrote: »

can everyone everywhere please stop having this conversation now

now that that's over, let's talk about the robocop redesign

he looks like the bottom of a sneaker

Buttlord

Gatsby wrote: »

Better idea, we've talked heaps about who we'd cast as Murdoch/Daredevil but

Who would you cast as Foggy Nelson?

the fat kid from sandlot

Balefuego

Gatsby wrote: »

Better idea, we've talked heaps about who we'd cast as Murdoch/Daredevil but

Who would you cast as Foggy Nelson?

Jon Favreau was a pretty good Foggy

Renzo

Before Avengers released, I recommended that a friend read Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men, because it seemed similar to how he would treat Avengers: They can save the day, but only if they first learn to work together. That was more or less accurate, and it was a great story, which is a plus.

But I haven't read any Thor, Cap, Hulk, or Avengers to hype myself for their respective movies. I read a little Extremis, but it didn't grab me, and I didn't dig the art.

Are there any recent-ish trades and standalone stories based on these characters? I don't have the patience for buying an issue once a month or two months or whatever. Also looking for a good Superman story. Oh, and Spider-Man too.

For reference, some of my favorites are the above mentioned Astonishing X-Men, House of M, Fray, Kingdom Come, Watchmen, and A Serious House on Serious Earth. Those are all stories I was able to pick up and follow without needing a base of knowledge of what happened in a previous story, and that's really appealing.

Naphtali

yes

yes

airwolf

if only because of its theme song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrQRN-sUk3E

Snowbeat

oh my god

that is the most perfect preview image ever

Langly

Renzo wrote: »

Before Avengers released, I recommended that a friend read Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men, because it seemed similar to how he would treat Avengers: They can save the day, but only if they first learn to work together. That was more or less accurate, and it was a great story, which is a plus.

But I haven't read any Thor, Cap, Hulk, or Avengers to hype myself for their respective movies. I read a little Extremis, but it didn't grab me, and I didn't dig the art.

Are there any recent-ish trades and standalone stories based on these characters? I don't have the patience for buying an issue once a month or two months or whatever. Also looking for a good Superman story. Oh, and Spider-Man too.

For reference, some of my favorites are the above mentioned Astonishing X-Men, House of M, Fray, Kingdom Come, Watchmen, and A Serious House on Serious Earth. Those are all stories I was able to pick up and follow without needing a base of knowledge of what happened in a previous story, and that's really appealing.

It's still coming out but you should catch up with the current Thor

LTM

Naphtali wins. Thread over.

Undead Scottsman

The story of what happened to Airwolf is one of those things you just can't believe exists. Let me see if I can dig up an article.

Ah, thank you cracked.

The Show:

To explain the premise of what is already a pretty baffling show before it decided to lose all its marbles, let's let Wikipedia sum it up:

The series' protagonist is Stringfellow Hawke (Jan-Michael Vincent), a loner who lives in a cabin in the mountains, only accompanied by his Bluetick Coonhound, "Tet", and the surrounding wildlife. Hawke is a recluse, spending most of his time alone with his priceless collection of paintings, and serenading eagles with his equally priceless Stradivarius cello. His only real friend and mentor is the older, eternally cheerful Dominic Santini (Ernest Borgnine).

We're sold! When can we tune in? Nothing says "surefire hit" like creepy backwoods loner who "serenades eagles." Who can't relate to that? Isn't there a little recluse schizophrenic in all of us?

Fortunately, or unfortunately, the main character is actually a helicopter named Airwolf, and everyone else is just along for the ride. A series of incredibly convoluted plot twists occur involving kidnap, espionage, a volcano and Airwolf, the world's greatest fighting machine unless you have stealth-detecting radar and surface-to-air missiles.

Together, they start running covert ops for a mysterious branch of the CIA called FIRM, and the rest of the series was spent watching Airwolf's crew spend most of their time trying to not run out of plots entirely centered around a helicopter.

So, What Happened?

The show became a zombie.

Airwolf ran successfully on CBS for three seasons before being canceled. Not content with their 24-hour schedule of awful movies and cleavage, the U.S.A. Network decided to pick up the show and make it themselves.

However, they had a shoestring budget, which is bad news on a TV show based entirely around futuristic helicopter fight scenes. This led the minor problem of not actually having access to the helicopter at all (they no longer owned it). That's right. They were trying to do an Airwolf series without using any shots of Airwolf.

Thus each episode was carefully constructed from previously aired footage of Airwolf, walking a fine line between hysterically shitty and just plain sad.

Having "solved" the budget problem of a show starring a multi-million-dollar machine, U.S.A. just had to eliminate the only other major expense: actor's salaries. U.S.A. certainly couldn't afford the veteran cast of Airwolf, which included the high-profile star Ernest Borgnine.

There of course was only one solution: HELICOPTER EXPLOSION:

Borgnine's character, played by Borgnine's stunt double, is conspicuously seen only from behind:

...and then dies in the way he knew he always would: in a grainy, poorly-edited stock footage explosion.

They were able to afford to get a couple of minutes of Jan-Michael Vincent, so he was only injured in the explosion. Still, his Airwolfing days were over.

Airwolf was canceled at the end of the first season, though they were probably long out of old Airwolf footage anyway and were on the verge of flinging a toy helicopter through the air with a slingshot. In retrospect, the entire U.S.A. Network should probably have been canceled with it.

Read more: http://www.cracked.com/article/242_6-tv-shows-that-completely-lost-their-shit_p2/#ixzz2THghWn4J

Harry Dresden

Gustav wrote: »

The only space cowboy I really have time for is Sparks Nevada, Marshal of Mars.

He's from Earth.

What about Spike Speigel?

Balefuego wrote: »

Undead Scottsman wrote: »

The Lovely Bastard wrote: »

i really hate the sense of entitlement people seem to have with television

just irks me something fierce

Just out of curiosity, what specifically are you referring to as entitlement?

Well the inherent assumption that Joss or any of the other people associated with Firefly would have any interest at all in revisiting it after a decade and when they've all gone off to do other far more lucrative things.

And it's not even like a Veronica Mars type situation, Firefly already had it's movie! It got an ending!

You realize someone else could take over, right? There are plenty of talented people from Mutant Enemy who could make it work.

Balefuego wrote: »

They've all said the former, but not the latter.

If he really wanted he could easily have extended the series with a comic book - the Buffy continuation series has been running for 6 years and is still trucking and he's written a number of the issues himself and retains an overseeing role.

He's done with Firefly, he's said so himself. Enjoy what we have and stop begging him to revisit the past instead of letting him make something new.

Whedon has. He's published a few mini-series.

Buttlord

Renzo wrote: »

Before Avengers released, I recommended that a friend read Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men, because it seemed similar to how he would treat Avengers: They can save the day, but only if they first learn to work together. That was more or less accurate, and it was a great story, which is a plus.

But I haven't read any Thor, Cap, Hulk, or Avengers to hype myself for their respective movies. I read a little Extremis, but it didn't grab me, and I didn't dig the art.

Are there any recent-ish trades and standalone stories based on these characters? I don't have the patience for buying an issue once a month or two months or whatever. Also looking for a good Superman story. Oh, and Spider-Man too.

For reference, some of my favorites are the above mentioned Astonishing X-Men, House of M, Fray, Kingdom Come, Watchmen, and A Serious House on Serious Earth. Those are all stories I was able to pick up and follow without needing a base of knowledge of what happened in a previous story, and that's really appealing.

all

star

superman

Buttlord

dc put out a catalog of trades to get people to start reading dc (it won't work)

anyway

last night my boss is like hey buttlord you know comics grab a catalog and make a display of some of the books in it

first thing i grabbed was all-star superman

Harry Dresden

Renzo wrote: »

Before Avengers released, I recommended that a friend read Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men, because it seemed similar to how he would treat Avengers: They can save the day, but only if they first learn to work together. That was more or less accurate, and it was a great story, which is a plus.

But I haven't read any Thor, Cap, Hulk, or Avengers to hype myself for their respective movies. I read a little Extremis, but it didn't grab me, and I didn't dig the art.

Are there any recent-ish trades and standalone stories based on these characters? I don't have the patience for buying an issue once a month or two months or whatever. Also looking for a good Superman story. Oh, and Spider-Man too.

For reference, some of my favorites are the above mentioned Astonishing X-Men, House of M, Fray, Kingdom Come, Watchmen, and A Serious House on Serious Earth. Those are all stories I was able to pick up and follow without needing a base of knowledge of what happened in a previous story, and that's really appealing.

Read Waid and Brubaker's runs on Cap, JMS Thor, Busiek's Avengers (Hickman's Avengers is supposed to be good, too), All Star Superman, Superman: Birthright, Busiek's Iron Man and Fraction's Invincible Iron Man.

Buttlord

read thor god of thunder

Undead Scottsman

Hickman's Avengers is still a work in progress, so you'll be waiting awhile to get the whole story.