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The available evidence points to the "conventional economic logic" here being correct:
http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/167421/the-basic-income-guarantee-good-idea-bad-idea/p1
we're talking about wic vouchers, right?
this type of attitude (of course amplified) is what drives this "welfare poor shoudn't get nice things"
"beggars can't be choosers" suddenly becomes "government assistance shouldn't actually be helpful because then everyone will use it!" which is just ugh
What?
No, we were talking about Wisconsin making specious and pointless changes to the food stamps law restricting what people can buy for really no good reason.
Like, who these people you think are spending all this money they don't have on food they can't afford? Are they perhaps living with the guys selling their obamaphones for crack money?
It is not an issue. It just isn't. It is just another head of the Welfare Queen hydra.
ding ding ding
Where you start out ridiculously super powered so nothing is fun, and you have to pay in order to have your stats reduced and abilities removed so that there's actually a fun challenge involved.
also I think its one thing at an actual soup kitchen like, hey this is the shit we have. if you are hungry, this is your choice
vs artificially adding that into a system where youre not feeding people on donations from a food bank or whatever
Oh yeah, diet is the big thing that you have to get a handle on.
I just like that I can run an entire mile without passing out again.
i know, i just really like this face
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I guarantee you this is more than me.
Oh god I'm so out of shape.
No that's the Coca-Cola Kitchen.
Sponsored by Pepsi.
A Spike Lee Joint.
yeah i guess i'd agree with putting spaghetti-o's and oreos on the "do not buy" list. obesity is a large problem in general and a massive problem with the very poor, and the vast majority of this is caused by poor food choices.
like - you have a voucher for a food item given to you as public assistance. it seems okay (to me!) to restrict stuff that's too expensive and stuff that's too bad for you.
it seems like a good opportunity to actually encourage good food choices. sure it's low-octane social engineering but that doesn't really bother me.
it precludes some choices that various people might want to make - whether it's buying junk food or it's buying expensive, boutique stuff or it's buying alcohol or smokes or you'd rather just go see a movie instead.
i guess this doesn't really bother me that much
Pshh, just give them M and they can bootstrap until the M is RE
Actually, sometimes yes
the local place I volunteered at had quite a bit of coca cola (they give food to shelters/individuals/church groups/etc for distribution) because its so much cheaper to get than milk and orange juice and whatnot
I love that like 9 times out of 10 a nutrition/fitness/public health thread will boil down to (legitimate) wargle-bargle about corn subsidies.
is true
is why im still got this gut and love handles
but i do find that exercising makes me want to eat healthier, vs sitting around doing nothing
obesity isn't so much a problem with the very poor
it's a big problem for the poor to lower middle class
I don't think there's strong evidence for that, actually.
Gotta hit that 2 hr post-workout protein window, bro.
Massive gains.
(I still
We never see JC Denton sleep or poop. Now, we can assume that the helicopter rides throughout the game allow for the sleeping. But I doubt the helicopter has a bathroom in it.
Conclusion: "My butt is augmented."
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Astronaut food and vitamin tablets, as seen on The Jetsons.
so i thought we were talking about the changes to the wisconsin wic vouchers
those are what were posted originally iirc
like, you can't use your wic voucher (for milk) to buy chocolate milk or the luxury brand
that's really what i've been talking about
And you know, what I've been trying to be clear about is that I get where you are coming from.
But I've also been trying to say that it is a waste of time. People on assistance aren't blowing their wads on expensive foods. They're buying cheap foods that last a long time (so foods high in sugar, high in sodium, high in preservatives that are questionably useful to your digestive system).
There is a problem with food stamps, but it isn't the ability to buy organic milk. I'm not saying that this should make the people rise up and eat the rich, I'm saying that it is pointless and a symptom of the Beggars Can't Be Choosers/Poor People Shouldn't Have Nice Things (Do you own a car? Do you have a phone? Do you live with other people?) attitude that our entire country takes toward welfare, liberal and conservative.
That's all. This is far from the worst thing that Republicans have ever done, especially when it comes to welfare, but it is pretty dumb.
no they are taking the wic voucher standards and applying them to food stamps in wisconsin
which is completely boneheaded because wic is meant for specific foods for mothers with infants and not meant to be all inclusive
i ate those some when i was in college because we were stupidly poor and (because students) couldn't collect any kind of public assistance in texas.
they were not tasty
This looks to be a decent overview of food stamps and just giving cash.
I am going to shave my head
Root causes of diseases are generally thirst thing to treat than symptoms, but it's like I quoted last night, "it's hard to get a man to understand that which his salary depends on him not to."
yes they are not
also I think they are like 2-3000 cal ea because soldiers need energy
also I was so tired in basic (where we ate them for a week) that I ate the instant coffee grounds
which is always a plus
Googling around looking for purchasing habits of SNAP card holders led to this.
http://www.cspinet.org/new/201007151.html
Which is a lot better than the horrific vortex of depression that the last couple have been.