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  • ZephiranZephiran Registered User regular
    Tav wrote: »
    Ah. This reminds me of a class experiment gone horribly, horribly wrong in the 3rd grade.

    My teacher brought cute little fuzzy caterpillars into class one day. "These will become butterflies," she said. We, with our giddy 9-year-old excitement beamed at the idea of a classroom full of butterflies. Soon, the little caterpillars bundled themselves up in their little cocoons. Each day, we checked on them to see if they had transformed yet.

    One day, one of the cocoons started twitching. My teacher directed the whole class to watch this beautiful moment of transformation.

    And out of our beloved caterpillar slithered a horrible wasp. All of the caterpillars were eaten alive by wasps. The class was crying.

    My teacher never brought caterpillars into class ever again, from what I heard.

    This is actually the premise of a horror manga I read a while back.
  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. Risk is our business.Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    also if you're poor you no longer get to make ethical food choices yay

    Poor people don't make ethical food choices because they can't afford to.

    It is such a limited thing that the fact that a government is wasting its time trying to fight it is mind-boggling to me.

    we're talking about wic vouchers, right?

    What?

    No, we were talking about Wisconsin making specious and pointless changes to the food stamps law restricting what people can buy for really no good reason.

    Like, who these people you think are spending all this money they don't have on food they can't afford? Are they perhaps living with the guys selling their obamaphones for crack money?

    It is not an issue. It just isn't. It is just another head of the Welfare Queen hydra.

    so i thought we were talking about the changes to the wisconsin wic vouchers

    those are what were posted originally iirc

    like, you can't use your wic voucher (for milk) to buy chocolate milk or the luxury brand

    that's really what i've been talking about

    No, Wisconsin changed the food stamps rules to be more in line with WIC. If you're on WIC you generally can get on food stamps as well, because they are different programs for different needs.
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  • STATE OF THE ART ROBOTSTATE OF THE ART ROBOT Registered User regular
    If they get meatball MREs it is all good. Those ones are delish
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    yeah i guess i'd agree with putting spaghetti-o's and oreos on the "do not buy" list. obesity is a large problem in general and a massive problem with the very poor, and the vast majority of this is caused by poor food choices.

    I don't think there's strong evidence for that, actually.

    Googling around looking for purchasing habits of SNAP card holders led to this.

    http://www.cspinet.org/new/201007151.html
    SNAP participants appear to purchase at least 40 percent more carbonated soft drinks than other consumers do. At one major supermarket chain, SNAP participants bought 4.3 percent of carbonated soft drinks even though they only represented 1.8 percent of transactions. At another large chain, carbonated soft drinks accounted for 6.19 percent of the grocery bills of SNAP participants.

    That seems like a bad comparison. A better comparison would be to those just above the poverty line so that you can tell how much of it is due to wealth differences.
  • y2jake215y2jake215 oh ok yeah that's cool RAP GAME KiNG TUTRegistered User regular
    Yessss my third ct scan in 3 years

    Bring on the fatal cancer
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  • P10P10 Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    Deus Ex real talk.

    We never see JC Denton sleep or poop. Now, we can assume that the helicopter rides throughout the game allow for the sleeping. But I doubt the helicopter has a bathroom in it.

    Conclusion: "My butt is augmented."
    number one: that's terror
  • y2jake215y2jake215 oh ok yeah that's cool RAP GAME KiNG TUTRegistered User regular
    Also this contrast is berry flavored kill me
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  • MadCaddyMadCaddy Riksadvokate Registered User regular
    also by criminalizing food stamps fraud and increasing the incentive to commit said fraud (trading food stamps for dollars or, I buy you some milk you buy me some sharp cheddar because my food stamps can't buy sharp cheddar anymore) we'll get lots more very poor people in prison

    which is always a plus

    The conservative dictum on if government isn't ruined they'll ruin it is so awesome. At least they make profits off all them bodies in cells, another greatly relevant political point.
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  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    MadCaddy wrote: »
    also by criminalizing food stamps fraud and increasing the incentive to commit said fraud (trading food stamps for dollars or, I buy you some milk you buy me some sharp cheddar because my food stamps can't buy sharp cheddar anymore) we'll get lots more very poor people in prison

    which is always a plus

    The conservative dictum on if government isn't ruined they'll ruin it is so awesome. At least they make profits off all them bodies in cells, another greatly relevant political point.

    as I mentioned in a previous thread you can also go to jail for not paying medical bills but ONLY if you are a single father in Wisconsin

    how is that legaaaaaaaaaaal
  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    MadCaddy wrote: »
    There's a lotta really awesome freakonomis about government aid and the signals and data we have on it. I was listening to the most recent one about obesity, and they were touching on the food stamps/obesity in kids issue. Do you think that just relabeling obesity/fat as malnourished would make lower socio-economic ladder parents more likely to educate themselves about food?

    The problem is that education isn't likely to make a large impact.
    I am comforted by Richard Dawkins’ theory of memes. Those are mental units: thoughts, ideas, gestures, notions, songs, beliefs, rhymes, ideals, teachings, sayings, phrases, clichés that move from mind to mind as genes move from body to body. After a lifetime of writing, teaching, broadcasting and telling too many jokes, I will leave behind more memes than many. They will all also eventually die, but so it goes. - Roger Ebert, I Do Not Fear Death
  • Irond WillIrond Will Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    also if you're poor you no longer get to make ethical food choices yay

    you don't get to be too picky at the soup kitchen, i guess.

    this type of attitude (of course amplified) is what drives this "welfare poor shoudn't get nice things"

    "beggars can't be choosers" suddenly becomes "government assistance shouldn't actually be helpful because then everyone will use it!" which is just ugh

    what is the right solution? should we have any restrictions on public assistance?

    would you be okay with allowing organic milk on wic vouchers (and cage-free eggs and the equivalent across the various vouchers) if it meant that the funding didn't go as far only half the number of people were allowed to qualify?

    should there be any guidelines, structures or restrictions to encourage people from spending all their food stamp money on junkfood? is it problematic if people do this?
  • bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Registered User regular
    Did PA really need to do a new kickstarter?
  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    also if you're poor you no longer get to make ethical food choices yay

    you don't get to be too picky at the soup kitchen, i guess.

    this type of attitude (of course amplified) is what drives this "welfare poor shoudn't get nice things"

    "beggars can't be choosers" suddenly becomes "government assistance shouldn't actually be helpful because then everyone will use it!" which is just ugh

    what is the right solution? should we have any restrictions on public assistance?

    would you be okay with allowing organic milk on wic vouchers (and cage-free eggs and the equivalent across the various vouchers) if it meant that the funding didn't go as far only half the number of people were allowed to qualify?

    should there be any guidelines, structures or restrictions to encourage people from spending all their food stamp money on junkfood? is it problematic if people do this?

    Ideally, assuming that little things like politics and public perception weren't obstacles, we should just give people cash assistance. No stamps, no vouchers, no restrictions. Just X dollars per month and the freedom to spend it as they please.

    Vegetables and milk? Great! Whiskey and porn mags? Fine, whatever, it's your money.
    I am comforted by Richard Dawkins’ theory of memes. Those are mental units: thoughts, ideas, gestures, notions, songs, beliefs, rhymes, ideals, teachings, sayings, phrases, clichés that move from mind to mind as genes move from body to body. After a lifetime of writing, teaching, broadcasting and telling too many jokes, I will leave behind more memes than many. They will all also eventually die, but so it goes. - Roger Ebert, I Do Not Fear Death
  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. Risk is our business.Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    also if you're poor you no longer get to make ethical food choices yay

    you don't get to be too picky at the soup kitchen, i guess.

    this type of attitude (of course amplified) is what drives this "welfare poor shoudn't get nice things"

    "beggars can't be choosers" suddenly becomes "government assistance shouldn't actually be helpful because then everyone will use it!" which is just ugh

    what is the right solution? should we have any restrictions on public assistance?

    would you be okay with allowing organic milk on wic vouchers (and cage-free eggs and the equivalent across the various vouchers) if it meant that the funding didn't go as far only half the number of people were allowed to qualify?

    should there be any guidelines, structures or restrictions to encourage people from spending all their food stamp money on junkfood? is it problematic if people do this?

    This strikes me as a massive strawman.

    Here's a better question: is this actually an issue? Are there legions of starving children out there because their parents spend WIC coupons on organic milk and cage free eggs so by the time the 15th comes around they're out of food?
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  • TTODewbackTTODewback Pink haired tyrant On my throne of forum faces.Registered User regular
    so since pony moved in he has accused me of being

    -> a slave master
    -> a child rapist
    -> a pedophile
    -> a racist
    -> a sexist
    -> an anti-semite
    -> a shit fetishist
    -> a snack hoarder and a greedy gus
    -> ableist
    -> an abuser
    -> a high school girl diddler

    so things are going pretty well with this arrangement, i guess is what i'm saying
    He forgot manic queefer.
  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    well to be fair a lot of those things are actually inherent to being a slave master in most cases
  • 21stCentury21stCentury Raiding Relics Everyday Registered User regular
    Did PA really need to do a new kickstarter?

    no... They did not.

    But they like money.
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    How do conservatives square believing that people are generally rational as shown by their belief in the free market and thinking that poor people should be severely managed lest they spend their welfare on booze?
  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. Risk is our business.Registered User regular
    Did PA really need to do a new kickstarter?

    how else will they be able to get organic milk and brown eggs?
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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Six pack on a dick Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    also if you're poor you no longer get to make ethical food choices yay

    you don't get to be too picky at the soup kitchen, i guess.

    this type of attitude (of course amplified) is what drives this "welfare poor shoudn't get nice things"

    "beggars can't be choosers" suddenly becomes "government assistance shouldn't actually be helpful because then everyone will use it!" which is just ugh

    what is the right solution? should we have any restrictions on public assistance?

    would you be okay with allowing organic milk on wic vouchers (and cage-free eggs and the equivalent across the various vouchers) if it meant that the funding didn't go as far only half the number of people were allowed to qualify?

    should there be any guidelines, structures or restrictions to encourage people from spending all their food stamp money on junkfood? is it problematic if people do this?

    Ideally, assuming that little things like politics and public perception weren't obstacles, we should just give people cash assistance. No stamps, no vouchers, no restrictions. Just X dollars per month and the freedom to spend it as they please.

    Vegetables and milk? Great! Whiskey and porn mags? Fine, whatever, it's your money.

    It's not "their" money though. It's government assistance. It's designed to both help them when they need it, while getting off it as soon as they're able. It's not supposed to be a crutch.
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  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot Registered User regular
    TTODewback wrote: »
    so since pony moved in he has accused me of being

    -> a slave master
    -> a child rapist
    -> a pedophile
    -> a racist
    -> a sexist
    -> an anti-semite
    -> a shit fetishist
    -> a snack hoarder and a greedy gus
    -> ableist
    -> an abuser
    -> a high school girl diddler

    so things are going pretty well with this arrangement, i guess is what i'm saying
    He forgot manic queefer.

    its not an accusation if its true and provable
  • 21stCentury21stCentury Raiding Relics Everyday Registered User regular
    so since pony moved in he has accused me of being

    -> a slave master
    -> a child rapist
    -> a pedophile
    -> a racist
    -> a sexist
    -> an anti-semite
    -> a shit fetishist
    -> a snack hoarder and a greedy gus
    -> ableist
    -> an abuser
    -> a high school girl diddler

    so things are going pretty well with this arrangement, i guess is what i'm saying

    Oh me, oh my!

    Pony has gone too far...

    Calling you a greedy gus? Has he no shame?
  • RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    Did PA really need to do a new kickstarter?

    considering we only have Strip Search because of the previous PA kickstarter, I would say they have more than earned the good will for another.
    What you think "makes sense" has nothing to do with reality. It just has to do with your life experience. And your life experience may only be a small smidgen of reality. Possibly even a distorted account of reality at that. So what this means is that, beginning in the 20th century as our means of decoding nature became more and more powerful, we started realizing our common sense is no longer a tool to pass judgment on whether or not a scientific theory is correct. - Neil Degrasse Tyson
  • MadCaddyMadCaddy Riksadvokate Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    MadCaddy wrote: »
    There's a lotta really awesome freakonomis about government aid and the signals and data we have on it. I was listening to the most recent one about obesity, and they were touching on the food stamps/obesity in kids issue. Do you think that just relabeling obesity/fat as malnourished would make lower socio-economic ladder parents more likely to educate themselves about food?

    The problem is that education isn't likely to make a large impact.

    But would it be a good way of activating critical thought in those predisposed not to do so? The paradox of the statement is rather compelling, and I could see it having an effect, as a big part of childhood obesity is the parental loving their child so much it's killing them both (in a way).
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  • y2jake215y2jake215 oh ok yeah that's cool RAP GAME KiNG TUTRegistered User regular
    Are the PA guys multimillionaires? They must be by now, right?
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  • TL DRTL DR Registered User regular
    I think that we should promote spending on cage-free and other less-cruel animal products as opposed to the extremes of CAFA and this conversation serves as a sad reminder that this is a controversial opinion.
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  • y2jake215y2jake215 oh ok yeah that's cool RAP GAME KiNG TUTRegistered User regular
    When I see the insane amounts YouTube celebs make, they MUST be
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  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot Registered User regular
    wait the pa goal is ten dollars??
  • MadCaddyMadCaddy Riksadvokate Registered User regular
    Did PA really need to do a new kickstarter?

    Kicks tater isn't only for those in need.
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  • Irond WillIrond Will Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    also if you're poor you no longer get to make ethical food choices yay

    Poor people don't make ethical food choices because they can't afford to.

    It is such a limited thing that the fact that a government is wasting its time trying to fight it is mind-boggling to me.

    we're talking about wic vouchers, right?

    What?

    No, we were talking about Wisconsin making specious and pointless changes to the food stamps law restricting what people can buy for really no good reason.

    Like, who these people you think are spending all this money they don't have on food they can't afford? Are they perhaps living with the guys selling their obamaphones for crack money?

    It is not an issue. It just isn't. It is just another head of the Welfare Queen hydra.

    so i thought we were talking about the changes to the wisconsin wic vouchers

    those are what were posted originally iirc

    like, you can't use your wic voucher (for milk) to buy chocolate milk or the luxury brand

    that's really what i've been talking about

    No, Wisconsin changed the food stamps rules to be more in line with WIC. If you're on WIC you generally can get on food stamps as well, because they are different programs for different needs.

    i see. i agree that wic restrictions on "luxury goods" don't really make any sense when applied to food stamps.

    food stamps are already resource-constrained by a fixed dollar amount. wic vouchers are unit-constrained, and in those cases it makes sense to limit expensive options.

    if people on food stamps want to try to stretch their budget in other areas in order to buy expensive milk, then that's totally fine.

    i am totally fine with restricting (actual) junk food on food stamps though.
  • y2jake215y2jake215 oh ok yeah that's cool RAP GAME KiNG TUTRegistered User regular
    You can only spend your food stamps on soylent green
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  • bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Registered User regular
    wait the pa goal is ten dollars??

    Yeah so no matter what they get money!
  • TL DRTL DR Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    How do conservatives square believing that people are generally rational as shown by their belief in the free market and thinking that poor people should be severely managed lest they spend their welfare on booze?

    Other - it's a verb!
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  • MadCaddyMadCaddy Riksadvokate Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Hence my, "I won't kickstart.." It's the quagmire where futures ethics go to die.
    MadCaddy on
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  • RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    also I think it's important to note here that the new PA kickstarter for a new round of podcasts has a $10 project goal
    What you think "makes sense" has nothing to do with reality. It just has to do with your life experience. And your life experience may only be a small smidgen of reality. Possibly even a distorted account of reality at that. So what this means is that, beginning in the 20th century as our means of decoding nature became more and more powerful, we started realizing our common sense is no longer a tool to pass judgment on whether or not a scientific theory is correct. - Neil Degrasse Tyson
  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    also if you're poor you no longer get to make ethical food choices yay

    you don't get to be too picky at the soup kitchen, i guess.

    this type of attitude (of course amplified) is what drives this "welfare poor shoudn't get nice things"

    "beggars can't be choosers" suddenly becomes "government assistance shouldn't actually be helpful because then everyone will use it!" which is just ugh

    what is the right solution? should we have any restrictions on public assistance?

    would you be okay with allowing organic milk on wic vouchers (and cage-free eggs and the equivalent across the various vouchers) if it meant that the funding didn't go as far only half the number of people were allowed to qualify?

    should there be any guidelines, structures or restrictions to encourage people from spending all their food stamp money on junkfood? is it problematic if people do this?

    This is kind of a straw man because wic vouchers are very specific things, letting people buy organic milk actually costs the state more (but that is a discussion worth having)

    limiting organic milk on food stamps is fucking stupid, it costs the state the exact same amount of money and since Wisconsin actually produces a lot of regionally produced organic milk it helps the economy

    And don't get me started on banning sharp cheddar on food stamps, in goddamn Wisconsin

    the cheese state

    really Wisconsin government?
  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. Risk is our business.Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    also if you're poor you no longer get to make ethical food choices yay

    you don't get to be too picky at the soup kitchen, i guess.

    this type of attitude (of course amplified) is what drives this "welfare poor shoudn't get nice things"

    "beggars can't be choosers" suddenly becomes "government assistance shouldn't actually be helpful because then everyone will use it!" which is just ugh

    what is the right solution? should we have any restrictions on public assistance?

    would you be okay with allowing organic milk on wic vouchers (and cage-free eggs and the equivalent across the various vouchers) if it meant that the funding didn't go as far only half the number of people were allowed to qualify?

    should there be any guidelines, structures or restrictions to encourage people from spending all their food stamp money on junkfood? is it problematic if people do this?

    Ideally, assuming that little things like politics and public perception weren't obstacles, we should just give people cash assistance. No stamps, no vouchers, no restrictions. Just X dollars per month and the freedom to spend it as they please.

    Vegetables and milk? Great! Whiskey and porn mags? Fine, whatever, it's your money.

    It's not "their" money though. It's government assistance. It's designed to both help them when they need it, while getting off it as soon as they're able. It's not supposed to be a crutch.

    This is a very good example of what Feral was talking about.

    My mother is 52 and will be on disability for the rest of her life. I know families who will never be able to get off food stamps because of the economic reality of this country.
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  • bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Registered User regular
    also I think it's important to note here that the new PA kickstarter for a new round of podcasts has a $10 project goal

    So its really just a way to sell shit as "pledge rewards"
  • 21stCentury21stCentury Raiding Relics Everyday Registered User regular
    i should make a "feed me for a day" kickstarter with, like, a 50 dollar goal.

    And then i'll write a review of the food i ate
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