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  • GooeyGooey Registered User regular
    so this kidnapping thing in cleveland is basically the most depressing thing i've ever heard ever
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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Six pack on a dick Registered User regular
    It's not "their" money though. It's government assistance. It's designed to both help them when they need it, while getting off it as soon as they're able. It's not supposed to be a crutch.

    is your tax break for being married your money, or the one for owning a house

    Yes? The government isn't giving me money. It's saying "well, you don't have to pay us quite as much."

    Marriage credits are not cuts. That money wouldn't be yours if the program didn't exist.

    We file jointly and actually get dinged by the marriage penalty. Before we bought our house we were DINKs with no mortgage so we were paying even more. The government still gets a net positive off of us.
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  • KageraKagera Registered User regular
    Kagera wrote: »
    The thing with assisting those in need is that you can't force them to use that assistance wisely.

    but you can definitely make a bunch of pointless rules to make yourself feel better about it though

    Oh yeah so many pointless rules. Enough to build a bed of breasts and booties on.
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  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Really, any compulsive gambler could do the same thing. Spend the food stamps on some high value items then sell it for less than it is worth. It wouldn't be rational but we are already assuming that they are about as irrational as possible.

    You'd skip the 'buying food' step and sell your card to the shady guy hanging out behind the gas station. $100 worth of food stamps for $50 in cash.

    this is apparently a big enough deal the legislature had to devote quite a bit of time to it and made it a priority

    I don't think its actually very common, meanwhile the government's economic development board straight up lost like ten million dollars or something
  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    also if you're poor you no longer get to make ethical food choices yay

    you don't get to be too picky at the soup kitchen, i guess.

    this type of attitude (of course amplified) is what drives this "welfare poor shoudn't get nice things"

    "beggars can't be choosers" suddenly becomes "government assistance shouldn't actually be helpful because then everyone will use it!" which is just ugh

    what is the right solution? should we have any restrictions on public assistance?

    would you be okay with allowing organic milk on wic vouchers (and cage-free eggs and the equivalent across the various vouchers) if it meant that the funding didn't go as far only half the number of people were allowed to qualify?

    should there be any guidelines, structures or restrictions to encourage people from spending all their food stamp money on junkfood? is it problematic if people do this?

    Ideally, assuming that little things like politics and public perception weren't obstacles, we should just give people cash assistance. No stamps, no vouchers, no restrictions. Just X dollars per month and the freedom to spend it as they please.

    Vegetables and milk? Great! Whiskey and porn mags? Fine, whatever, it's your money.

    It's not "their" money though. It's government assistance. It's designed to both help them when they need it, while getting off it as soon as they're able. It's not supposed to be a crutch.

    What does that have to do with cash assistance vs food stamps?

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  • kaleeditykaleedity bad biscuits make the baker broke bro Registered User regular
    Hmm. I guess I just don't see the point then. Couldn't they just put the rewards for sale on their store?

    they would need to create the server backend equivalent that kickstarter has, it would need to (or they'd want to?) release data the same way kickstarter does as donations come in, and they'd have to make sure it works. I don't know too many programmers on staff at PA so it's probably just easier to throw some money at KS. Which, since they've done so much work with KS, likely generates the goodwill potential for future dealings between them.
  • HamurabiHamurabi Registered User regular
    MadCaddy wrote: »
    Hamurabi wrote: »
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    Are the PA guys multimillionaires? They must be by now, right?

    I dunno about millionaires.

    But at least one of them drives a Mercedes, so, y'know...

    Which model? And statements like these are so funny.

    I have no idea -- I just saw the interior of I think Mike's car in one of the PATV episodes. I'm not implying the dude is $texas loaded, but if he's driving that either he or his wife is doing relatively well. Which is great, more power to 'em.

    What's funny about that statement?
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  • CindersCinders Registered User regular
    I don't actually know what the most depressing thing I've ever heard is anymore.
  • TTODewbackTTODewback Pink haired tyrant On my throne of forum faces.Registered User regular
    boobs
    boobs boobs
    you cant buy boobs with food stamps
    at least not good ones.
    dicks on the other hand.
    you can buy dicks all day
    but most of them are spotted.
  • KageraKagera Registered User regular
    Gooey wrote: »
    so this kidnapping thing in cleveland is basically the most depressing thing i've ever heard ever

    Dude after that shit in Europe nothing surprises me now.

    There are houses full of horrors yet unfound due to not enough evidence or unobservant neighbors or who knows why.

    Right now! In every state!
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  • STATE OF THE ART ROBOTSTATE OF THE ART ROBOT Registered User regular
    I can only attempt Gradius III Arcade difficulty once every couple hours or I get too frustrated.
  • MadCaddyMadCaddy Riksadvokate Registered User regular
    MadCaddy wrote: »
    I explained short selling to my dad the other day, as best I could

    We sipped our beers and nodded and agreed that financiers are dark sorcerers and we should abolish the wage system

    It really is funny how few people actually get it, even in the industry. It is just one elaborate con for vig. There's reasons I'm playing the track instead of day trading now. At least he track makes inside information discernible by money underlays.

    Am I reading this right, as "market trading is a scam so I gamble instead"?

    It's close. More, "I can outperform 99% of day traders with my gambling endeavors.." My earn from the track this season has been pretty surprising to me, especially with what interest rates are these days. And loose money, in times of recession, is always in vices. It's about calculating edge.
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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Wouldn't an alcoholic just trade the shit he bought with food stamps for some booze?

    Yeah, that would be fraud. His SNAP benefits would be terminated.

    Only if he is caught. And if we are assuming alcoholics who are almost completely irrational in their spending, they would try it anyway, resulting in the same shit as just giving them cash.

    "Some people will break the law, so there's no point having one" is not a compelling argument.

    If it doesn't do anything to stop the behavior that it is designed to stop, it is kind of a worthless law.
  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. Risk is our business.Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Really, any compulsive gambler could do the same thing. Spend the food stamps on some high value items then sell it for less than it is worth. It wouldn't be rational but we are already assuming that they are about as irrational as possible.

    You'd skip the 'buying food' step and sell your card to the shady guy hanging out behind the gas station. $100 worth of food stamps for $50 in cash.

    this is apparently a big enough deal the legislature had to devote quite a bit of time to it and made it a priority

    I don't think its actually very common, meanwhile the government's economic development board straight up lost like ten million dollars or something

    We should probably be figuring out and working on what is happening that makes this a good choice for people, or makes them think it is one, rather than just punishing poor people.

    But what do I know? I'm an English major.
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  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    I like how it's pretty much just welfare for the poor that has universal public outrage about how the recipients spend it

    Don't hear any republicans whine about what GE does with their multi billion dollar check for having enough tax accountants to check all the "free money" boxes
  • MimMim Registered User regular
    Kagera wrote: »
    Gooey wrote: »
    so this kidnapping thing in cleveland is basically the most depressing thing i've ever heard ever

    Dude after that shit in Europe nothing surprises me now.

    There are houses full of horrors yet unfound due to not enough evidence or unobservant neighbors or who knows why.

    Right now! In every state!

    and I was already looking at my neighbors suspiciously.

    thanks Kagera.
  • DeebaserDeebaser Way out in the water See it swimmin'?Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Cinders wrote: »
    I don't actually know what the most depressing thing I've ever heard is anymore.

    My cop buddy was called in for a DOA heroin overdose of an 8 year old girl. That one is def in my top 20.
    It gave me the feels.
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  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. Risk is our business.Registered User regular
    I like how it's pretty much just welfare for the poor that has universal public outrage about how the recipients spend it

    Don't hear any republicans whine about what GE does with their multi billion dollar check for having enough tax accountants to check all the "free money" boxes

    Protestant Work Ethic
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  • Irond WillIrond Will Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    talking with @organichu about public assistance and the way his family uses and views it was pretty instructive to me.
  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Really, any compulsive gambler could do the same thing. Spend the food stamps on some high value items then sell it for less than it is worth. It wouldn't be rational but we are already assuming that they are about as irrational as possible.

    You'd skip the 'buying food' step and sell your card to the shady guy hanging out behind the gas station. $100 worth of food stamps for $50 in cash.

    this is apparently a big enough deal the legislature had to devote quite a bit of time to it and made it a priority

    I don't think its actually very common, meanwhile the government's economic development board straight up lost like ten million dollars or something

    We should probably be figuring out and working on what is happening that makes this a good choice for people, or makes them think it is one, rather than just punishing poor people.

    But what do I know? I'm an English major.

    None of these health issues to me strike me as something that you would use food stamps to control

    If it's a health issue for someone making $10,000 a year its a health issue for someone making $25,000 a year too and should be regulated directly

    basically fuck off corn subsidies
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  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    TTODewback wrote: »
    boobs
    boobs boobs
    you cant buy boobs with food stamps
    at least not good ones.
    dicks on the other hand.
    you can buy dicks all day
    but most of them are spotted.

    If you don't swing that way, how about a horlick?

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Six pack on a dick Registered User regular
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    I don't actually know what the most depressing thing I've ever heard is anymore.

    My cop buddy was called in for a DOA heroin overdose of an 8 year old girl. That one is def in my top 20.
    It gave me the feels.

    This isn't supposed to be a contest :\
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  • GooeyGooey Registered User regular
    Kagera wrote: »
    Gooey wrote: »
    so this kidnapping thing in cleveland is basically the most depressing thing i've ever heard ever

    Dude after that shit in Europe nothing surprises me now.

    There are houses full of horrors yet unfound due to not enough evidence or unobservant neighbors or who knows why.

    Right now! In every state!

    shit in europe? do i want to know?
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  • CindersCinders Registered User regular
    Gooey wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Gooey wrote: »
    so this kidnapping thing in cleveland is basically the most depressing thing i've ever heard ever

    Dude after that shit in Europe nothing surprises me now.

    There are houses full of horrors yet unfound due to not enough evidence or unobservant neighbors or who knows why.

    Right now! In every state!

    shit in europe? do i want to know?

    No, you don't.
  • DeebaserDeebaser Way out in the water See it swimmin'?Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Wouldn't an alcoholic just trade the shit he bought with food stamps for some booze?

    Yeah, that would be fraud. His SNAP benefits would be terminated.

    Only if he is caught. And if we are assuming alcoholics who are almost completely irrational in their spending, they would try it anyway, resulting in the same shit as just giving them cash.

    "Some people will break the law, so there's no point having one" is not a compelling argument.

    If it doesn't do anything to stop the behavior that it is designed to stop, it is kind of a worthless law.

    It does stop behavior it is designed to stop. It doesn't stop criminals from criminaling.
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  • Irond WillIrond Will Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    I like how it's pretty much just welfare for the poor that has universal public outrage about how the recipients spend it

    Don't hear any republicans whine about what GE does with their multi billion dollar check for having enough tax accountants to check all the "free money" boxes

    the indignation the banks mustered when the public tried to restrict them handing out bailout money as bonuses was pretty comical
  • KageraKagera Registered User regular
    Mim wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Gooey wrote: »
    so this kidnapping thing in cleveland is basically the most depressing thing i've ever heard ever

    Dude after that shit in Europe nothing surprises me now.

    There are houses full of horrors yet unfound due to not enough evidence or unobservant neighbors or who knows why.

    Right now! In every state!

    and I was already looking at my neighbors suspiciously.

    thanks Kagera.

    Odds are if you saw naked women being led on leashes in your neighbors backyard you'd know something was up.

    Might take a couple of years for the authorities to be able to do anything though.

    And with that happy thought I'm off to brighten more days.
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  • HamurabiHamurabi Registered User regular
    I like how it's pretty much just welfare for the poor that has universal public outrage about how the recipients spend it

    Don't hear any republicans whine about what GE does with their multi billion dollar check for having enough tax accountants to check all the "free money" boxes

    The GOP whines about GE a lot.

    Though for completely unrelated reasons.
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  • MadCaddyMadCaddy Riksadvokate Registered User regular
    Hamurabi wrote: »
    MadCaddy wrote: »
    Hamurabi wrote: »
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    Are the PA guys multimillionaires? They must be by now, right?

    I dunno about millionaires.

    But at least one of them drives a Mercedes, so, y'know...

    Which model? And statements like these are so funny.

    I have no idea -- I just saw the interior of I think Mike's car in one of the PATV episodes. I'm not implying the dude is $texas loaded, but if he's driving that either he or his wife is doing relatively well. Which is great, more power to 'em.

    What's funny about that statement?

    I'd get infracted for the slang it makes me think of. N-word rich. And I have a Mercedes that is a monstrous negative as an asset ATm thanks to headaches from my family, so judging how someone does by what they drie (outside of true super cars) is just a class thing.
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  • TTODewbackTTODewback Pink haired tyrant On my throne of forum faces.Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    TTODewback wrote: »
    boobs
    boobs boobs
    you cant buy boobs with food stamps
    at least not good ones.
    dicks on the other hand.
    you can buy dicks all day
    but most of them are spotted.

    If you don't swing that way, how about a horlick?

    http://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/923080_10151592179336967_1832233282_n.jpg

    Too many horlicks and you might catch an STD
  • KageraKagera Registered User regular
    Gooey wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Gooey wrote: »
    so this kidnapping thing in cleveland is basically the most depressing thing i've ever heard ever

    Dude after that shit in Europe nothing surprises me now.

    There are houses full of horrors yet unfound due to not enough evidence or unobservant neighbors or who knows why.

    Right now! In every state!

    shit in europe? do i want to know?

    It was basically this but instead is was a husband who built a whole dungeon beneath his house and a wife who kept the secret.
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  • HamurabiHamurabi Registered User regular
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Wouldn't an alcoholic just trade the shit he bought with food stamps for some booze?

    Yeah, that would be fraud. His SNAP benefits would be terminated.

    Only if he is caught. And if we are assuming alcoholics who are almost completely irrational in their spending, they would try it anyway, resulting in the same shit as just giving them cash.

    "Some people will break the law, so there's no point having one" is not a compelling argument.

    If it doesn't do anything to stop the behavior that it is designed to stop, it is kind of a worthless law.

    It does stop behavior it is designed to stop. It doesn't stop criminals from Crime Timing™.

    Fixed.
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  • MadCaddyMadCaddy Riksadvokate Registered User regular
    I live in LA so obviously I am more impressed by someone driving a cL-650 Mc then a 97 c-230.
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  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck FAK U HODGEHEG Registered User regular
    the government paid me $1,000 in cash dollars last year for having sawyer and didnt make me do a drug test or make sure I spent it on him or anything
  • Irond WillIrond Will Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    I like how it's pretty much just welfare for the poor that has universal public outrage about how the recipients spend it

    Don't hear any republicans whine about what GE does with their multi billion dollar check for having enough tax accountants to check all the "free money" boxes

    Protestant Work Ethic

    i don't think the "protestant work ethic" is quite as one-sided or dark as you do.

    it's basically the belief that it's moral to work hard, it's moral to do one's best to be self-sufficient, and that it's moral to contribute to society

    there are plenty of negative attitudes that sometimes emerge as corollaries to this ethic

    but it's not a terrible thing in and of itself
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Wouldn't an alcoholic just trade the shit he bought with food stamps for some booze?

    Yeah, that would be fraud. His SNAP benefits would be terminated.

    Only if he is caught. And if we are assuming alcoholics who are almost completely irrational in their spending, they would try it anyway, resulting in the same shit as just giving them cash.

    "Some people will break the law, so there's no point having one" is not a compelling argument.

    If it doesn't do anything to stop the behavior that it is designed to stop, it is kind of a worthless law.

    It does stop behavior it is designed to stop. It doesn't stop criminals from criminaling.

    The Venn diagram of desperate alcoholics and criminals is probably almost a perfect circle.
  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    I like how it's pretty much just welfare for the poor that has universal public outrage about how the recipients spend it

    Don't hear any republicans whine about what GE does with their multi billion dollar check for having enough tax accountants to check all the "free money" boxes

    the indignation the banks mustered when the public tried to restrict them handing out bailout money as bonuses was pretty comical

    Funny how I don't seem to recall laughing about it, though.
  • DeebaserDeebaser Way out in the water See it swimmin'?Registered User regular
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    I don't actually know what the most depressing thing I've ever heard is anymore.

    My cop buddy was called in for a DOA heroin overdose of an 8 year old girl. That one is def in my top 20.
    It gave me the feels.

    This isn't supposed to be a contest :\

    I was mad late for work one day because an old friend from high school threw himself in front of the earlier train.
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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Six pack on a dick Registered User regular
    the government paid me $1,000 in cash dollars last year for having sawyer and didnt make me do a drug test or make sure I spent it on him or anything

    Calling CPS right now
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