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  • P10P10 Registered User regular
    my understanding was the 30 years war was fundamentally about how the protestant northern german princes wanted the emperor (i.e: the hapsburgs) to fuck off and die because he was being an asshole and trying to enforce catholicism
    other nations then were like "hey, we hate the hapsburgs too!" and intervened because seriously, fuck the hapsburgs.

    i didn't see anything wrong with classifying it as an inter-HRE (i.e: primarily german) conflict
  • HamurabiHamurabi Registered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    Can we all agree that it is totally ridic that Europe went from being Europe to becoming a giant peaceful singular entity with shared currency to which the concept of interstate war is just patently absurd over the course of a half-century?

    Two massively destructive (of human lives and of capital) World Wars will probably do that.
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  • bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Registered User regular
    afternoon folks
  • 21stCentury21stCentury Raiding Relics Everyday Registered User regular
    Ugh, i think i'm gonna go work out now

    i hate working out.
  • MadCaddyMadCaddy Riksadvokate Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    MadCaddy wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    MadCaddy wrote: »
    kaleedity wrote: »
    overpopulation is a matter of density, not overall population

    we're having fewer kids, but we're also moving away from shitholes

    Overpopulation is very real, and one if the reasons I have my libertarians leanings. I prefer to let Darwinism sort it out than government.

    this seems like the absolute worst way to solve the problem

    people don't passively starve to death

    They do passively OD on heroin; making sure they have means to eat is a different conversation, and the reason overpopulation is such a concern.

    Especially when you add the people who are pro-life, anti-genetically modified/organic only crops. I'm not talking labeling, but people who feel allowing indignant farmers access to more stout/less work intensive crops is improper because of nature.

    Darwinism only works at "sorting things out" if these people die before they have children, or if their children die

    This usually never happens, ergo social darwinism is stupid

    Or they just make weaker and weaker lineages until the bloodline ends naturally. Darwinism works, social Darwinism isn't my thing as I'm no fan if Nazi interpretations of Nietzsche, but in an information based capitalistic democracy, I believe there is some merit in using census and aptitude test data for sociological predictions, and so does your government.
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  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    @desc

    5 sets of push ups totaling 100.
  • KalkinoKalkino Buttons LondresRegistered User regular
    P10 wrote: »
    my understanding was the 30 years war was fundamentally about how the protestant northern german princes wanted the emperor (i.e: the hapsburgs) to fuck off and die because he was being an asshole and trying to enforce catholicism
    other nations then were like "hey, we hate the hapsburgs too!" and intervened because seriously, fuck the hapsburgs.

    i didn't see anything wrong with classifying it as an inter-HRE (i.e: primarily german) conflict

    Nah, lots of non Germans too. The Bohemians were only a bit German. Lots of Slavs and the like. Then the Spanish, French Danes, Swedes and Poles (?) came and joined the party
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  • WinkyWinky Registered User regular
    Hamurabi wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Can we all agree that it is totally ridic that Europe went from being Europe to becoming a giant peaceful singular entity with shared currency to which the concept of interstate war is just patently absurd over the course of a half-century?

    Two massively destructive (of human lives and of capital) World Wars will probably do that.

    It's funny to picture Europe going through World War II and then just being like

    NOPE NOPE NOPE

    But I don't know if it's valid from a historical perspective. WWII was the worst war ever in the terms of absolute carnage, but in a relative sense we've done way worse things to each other and just kept on killing afterwards.
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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    hey guys I think that move In Time I saw last night be an allegory for something

    A Dada-Marxist interpretation of Shakespherian roles for women
  • Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    http://www.theprovince.com/touch/news/bc/First+Nations+seek+reclaim+Mount+Douglas+restore+original+name/8394992/story.html

    Sometimes I allow myself to think I live in a sleepy, pleasent little Eden, where nothing awful ever happens.

    Then I turn on the local news and its all white people complaining about the natives.

    My privilege is blinding me to the gross.
  • HamurabiHamurabi Registered User regular
    Quick, everyone list your
    MadCaddy wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    MadCaddy wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    MadCaddy wrote: »
    kaleedity wrote: »
    overpopulation is a matter of density, not overall population

    we're having fewer kids, but we're also moving away from shitholes

    Overpopulation is very real, and one if the reasons I have my libertarians leanings. I prefer to let Darwinism sort it out than government.

    this seems like the absolute worst way to solve the problem

    people don't passively starve to death

    They do passively OD on heroin; making sure they have means to eat is a different conversation, and the reason overpopulation is such a concern.

    Especially when you add the people who are pro-life, anti-genetically modified/organic only crops. I'm not talking labeling, but people who feel allowing indignant farmers access to more stout/less work intensive crops is improper because of nature.

    Darwinism only works at "sorting things out" if these people die before they have children, or if their children die

    This usually never happens, ergo social darwinism is stupid

    Or they just make weaker and weaker lineages until the bloodline ends naturally. Darwinism works, social Darwinism isn't my thing as I'm no fan if Nazi interpretations of Nietzsche, but in an information based capitalistic democracy, I believe there is some merit in using census and aptitude test data for sociological predictions, and so does your government.

    Technology and medicine obviate a lot of Darwinian principles, I would say.

    Like I'm pretty happy I can wear glasses to make up for being nearsighted. That's pretty cool.
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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp! I can show you how to be a real man!Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Montenegro is where Casino Royale takes place
  • WinkyWinky Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Montenegro is where Casino Royale takes place

    Also where CRIME TIME happens.
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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    Hamurabi wrote: »
    Quick, everyone list your

    our what

    OUR WHAT
  • PantsBPantsB Registered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    Hamurabi wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Can we all agree that it is totally ridic that Europe went from being Europe to becoming a giant peaceful singular entity with shared currency to which the concept of interstate war is just patently absurd over the course of a half-century?

    Two massively destructive (of human lives and of capital) World Wars will probably do that.

    It's funny to picture Europe going through World War II and then just being like

    NOPE NOPE NOPE

    But I don't know if it's valid from a historical perspective. WWII was the worst war ever in the terms of absolute carnage, but in a relative sense we've done way worse things to each other and just kept on killing afterwards.

    Any war in Europe post WWII would also inevitably been cast in Cold War terms with US allied Western countries vs Soviet dominated countries. And that would have involved nukes so....
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  • MimMim Registered User regular
    Jury duty on the computer/phone is worse than in person.

    Tru fax
  • shalmeloshalmelo sees no evil Registered User regular
    P10 wrote: »
    but why mindkrieg

    "Fear is the mindkrieger."


    (Excerpted from my forthcoming novel The Archers of Dune.)
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  • P10P10 Registered User regular
    Kalkino wrote: »
    P10 wrote: »
    my understanding was the 30 years war was fundamentally about how the protestant northern german princes wanted the emperor (i.e: the hapsburgs) to fuck off and die because he was being an asshole and trying to enforce catholicism
    other nations then were like "hey, we hate the hapsburgs too!" and intervened because seriously, fuck the hapsburgs.

    i didn't see anything wrong with classifying it as an inter-HRE (i.e: primarily german) conflict

    Nah, lots of non Germans too. The Bohemians were only a bit German. Lots of Slavs and the like. Then the Spanish, French Danes, Swedes and Poles (?) came and joined the party
    bohemia/hungary/spain were involved because of the hapsburgs tho. french involvement was mostly because fuck the hapsburgs

    the origins of the conflict were entirely german* politics of the time. the fighting wasn't entirely germans fighting germans but w/e
    *HRE, w/e same thing
  • Knuckle DraggerKnuckle Dragger Explosive Ovine Disposal Registered User regular
    The idea that sea salt is more natural and less industrial than mined salt take somewhat of a blow after you've just seen a bulldozer trundling around a mountain of the stuff.
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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp! I can show you how to be a real man!Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Hamurabi wrote: »
    Quick, everyone list your
    MadCaddy wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    MadCaddy wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    MadCaddy wrote: »
    kaleedity wrote: »
    overpopulation is a matter of density, not overall population

    we're having fewer kids, but we're also moving away from shitholes

    Overpopulation is very real, and one if the reasons I have my libertarians leanings. I prefer to let Darwinism sort it out than government.

    this seems like the absolute worst way to solve the problem

    people don't passively starve to death

    They do passively OD on heroin; making sure they have means to eat is a different conversation, and the reason overpopulation is such a concern.

    Especially when you add the people who are pro-life, anti-genetically modified/organic only crops. I'm not talking labeling, but people who feel allowing indignant farmers access to more stout/less work intensive crops is improper because of nature.

    Darwinism only works at "sorting things out" if these people die before they have children, or if their children die

    This usually never happens, ergo social darwinism is stupid

    Or they just make weaker and weaker lineages until the bloodline ends naturally. Darwinism works, social Darwinism isn't my thing as I'm no fan if Nazi interpretations of Nietzsche, but in an information based capitalistic democracy, I believe there is some merit in using census and aptitude test data for sociological predictions, and so does your government.

    Technology and medicine obviate a lot of Darwinian principles, I would say.

    Like I'm pretty happy I can wear glasses to make up for being nearsighted. That's pretty cool.

    me too

    and a lot of the most successful people in Western society aren't having kids above replacement level soooooooooo
  • HamurabiHamurabi Registered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    Hamurabi wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Can we all agree that it is totally ridic that Europe went from being Europe to becoming a giant peaceful singular entity with shared currency to which the concept of interstate war is just patently absurd over the course of a half-century?

    Two massively destructive (of human lives and of capital) World Wars will probably do that.

    It's funny to picture Europe going through World War II and then just being like

    NOPE NOPE NOPE

    But I don't know if it's valid from a historical perspective. WWII was the worst war ever in the terms of absolute carnage, but in a relative sense we've done way worse things to each other and just kept on killing afterwards.

    I mean, there are clearly loads of other factors at play -- the relative equilibrium of capacity for war among the belligerents of WWII (read: basically none, because they'd bombed the shit out of each other and we'd leveled Hiroshima and Nagasaki), the (relatively) very similar cultures and social values of Europe, well-educated populations, etc.

    I mean the list is probably much longer.
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  • EriktheVikingGamerEriktheVikingGamer Barbara Streisand! Registered User regular
    Mim wrote: »
    Jury duty on the computer/phone is worse than in person.

    Tru fax

    They do jury duty by computer/phone now? When did that happen?
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  • Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    The idea that sea salt is more natural and less industrial than mined salt take somewhat of a blow after you've just seen a bulldozer trundling around a mountain of the stuff.

    Big Salt doesn't forget KD

    Big Salt doesn't forgive KD

  • KalkinoKalkino Buttons LondresRegistered User regular
    http://www.theprovince.com/touch/news/bc/First+Nations+seek+reclaim+Mount+Douglas+restore+original+name/8394992/story.html

    Sometimes I allow myself to think I live in a sleepy, pleasent little Eden, where nothing awful ever happens.

    Then I turn on the local news and its all white people complaining about the natives.

    My privilege is blinding me to the gross.

    NZ has done a bit of this. It is our cersion of the Culture Wars I guess.

    Maori tribes make settlements with the Government over the latter's treaty/other breaches, which usually includes some naming privileges - although usually nothing too worrying. Most place names have alternative, lawful Maori names anyway.

    It is more a matter of pronunciation - most Anglos pronounce Maori place names differently than current Maori would agree to be correct. Things can get a little tense

    My home town for example pronounces the name of the town one way, the Maori another way, but the latter's pronunciation is take as the rule by the national media - who has done so for 2 decades, which is almost like an ongoing troll of my home town, as the latter won't change and nor will the former.
    Freedom for the Northern Isles!
  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. Risk is our business.Registered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    Hamurabi wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Can we all agree that it is totally ridic that Europe went from being Europe to becoming a giant peaceful singular entity with shared currency to which the concept of interstate war is just patently absurd over the course of a half-century?

    Two massively destructive (of human lives and of capital) World Wars will probably do that.

    It's funny to picture Europe going through World War II and then just being like

    NOPE NOPE NOPE

    But I don't know if it's valid from a historical perspective. WWII was the worst war ever in the terms of absolute carnage, but in a relative sense we've done way worse things to each other and just kept on killing afterwards.

    It's accurate enough to use it as a funny line in a history comedy thing at least.
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  • MadCaddyMadCaddy Riksadvokate Registered User regular
    Alright guys. Much love and respect, but I gotta bounce. My girl just got up and I realized it's 2 and I haven't done shit. Put a pin in anynofmour arguments if they're important, and remind me when I get back, as chat got tl; dr.
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  • MadCaddyMadCaddy Riksadvokate Registered User regular
    Also, just remember my friends

    http://youtu.be/Ujt-PRWmjnE
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  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. Risk is our business.Registered User regular
    japan wrote: »
    Hamurabi wrote: »
    Quick, everyone list your

    our what

    OUR WHAT

    tits

    tacos

    tobacco

    turnips

    talismens

    tazmanians

    terrence howard

    tortoises
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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp! I can show you how to be a real man!Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    @pattonoswalt
    "'Pacific Rim', 'Lone Ranger', 'Man of Steel'. It's gonna be a good summer." -- porn re-titlers
  • Irond WillIrond Will Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    MadCaddy wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    MadCaddy wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    MadCaddy wrote: »
    kaleedity wrote: »
    overpopulation is a matter of density, not overall population

    we're having fewer kids, but we're also moving away from shitholes

    Overpopulation is very real, and one if the reasons I have my libertarians leanings. I prefer to let Darwinism sort it out than government.

    this seems like the absolute worst way to solve the problem

    people don't passively starve to death

    They do passively OD on heroin; making sure they have means to eat is a different conversation, and the reason overpopulation is such a concern.

    Especially when you add the people who are pro-life, anti-genetically modified/organic only crops. I'm not talking labeling, but people who feel allowing indignant farmers access to more stout/less work intensive crops is improper because of nature.

    Darwinism only works at "sorting things out" if these people die before they have children, or if their children die

    This usually never happens, ergo social darwinism is stupid

    Or they just make weaker and weaker lineages until the bloodline ends naturally. Darwinism works, social Darwinism isn't my thing as I'm no fan if Nazi interpretations of Nietzsche, but in an information based capitalistic democracy, I believe there is some merit in using census and aptitude test data for sociological predictions, and so does your government.

    what does "bloodline ends naturally" mean though?

    are you asserting that there's any correlation between fecundity or the willingness to reproduce and any of these social metrics that you like?

    to the contrary, in developed nations, family size tends to be inversely proportional to income/ wealth/ education.
  • MimMim Registered User regular
    Mim wrote: »
    Jury duty on the computer/phone is worse than in person.

    Tru fax

    They do jury duty by computer/phone now? When did that happen?

    It's a civil case I'm doing. I'm surrounded by old people who like to talk over people and don't know how to use technology
  • EchoEcho Per Aspera Ad Inferi Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Today I listened to a Norwegian guy with Tourettes for three hours.

    Though I suppose only @Abdhyius @Honk etc will understand this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS_PMJ9AxWo
  • Knuckle DraggerKnuckle Dragger Explosive Ovine Disposal Registered User regular
    The idea that sea salt is more natural and less industrial than mined salt take somewhat of a blow after you've just seen a bulldozer trundling around a mountain of the stuff.

    Big Salt doesn't forget KD

    Big Salt doesn't forgive KD

    It's in my sinuses; I can taste it when I breathe.
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  • EriktheVikingGamerEriktheVikingGamer Barbara Streisand! Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    @pattonoswalt
    "'Pacific Rim', 'Lone Ranger', 'Man of Steel'. It's gonna be a good summer." -- porn re-titlers

    Oh please, like they weren't already doing puns of Lone Ranger and Man of Steel. :P
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  • Knuckle DraggerKnuckle Dragger Explosive Ovine Disposal Registered User regular
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  • EchoEcho Per Aspera Ad Inferi Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    I've seen salt that promised it wasn't GMO.

    Yeah, no shit.
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    @pattonoswalt
    "'Pacific Rim', 'Lone Ranger', 'Man of Steel'. It's gonna be a good summer." -- porn re-titlers

    Porn re-titlers have gotten really lazy.
  • ThomamelasThomamelas Registered User regular
    Since we're talking about wars with lots of deaths, I give you the Paraguayan War. Generally it's estimated that Paraguay lost 60% of it's population. It also serves as a reminder that switching asymmetric tactics after losing a conventional war can be a very good way to get a lot of your people killed.
    There's no living with a killing. There's no goin' back from one. Right or wrong, it's a brand... a brand sticks. There's no goin' back. Now you run on home to your mother and tell her... tell her everything's alright. And there aren't any more guns in the valley.
  • HamurabiHamurabi Registered User regular
    japan wrote: »
    Hamurabi wrote: »
    Quick, everyone list your

    our what

    OUR WHAT

    ABOLISH THE DRAFT SYSTEM.

    I HATE VIETNAM IT SMELLS.

    (I was gonna make a joke post to the effect of, "Quick, everyone list your ethnic background so I can record it for future use!")
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  • ronyaronya hmmm over there!Registered User regular
    taiping rebellion
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