[Mechwarrior:Online] Weapon Rebalancing on the 21st. Oosik Sigs on P19

AvalonGuard · May 2013

Apparently the Atlas-D in that screenshot utilizes jump jets.

WANT

Orick · May 2013

AvalonGuard wrote: »

Apparently the Atlas-D in that screenshot utilizes jump jets.
WANT

It's also 128 ton.

Mvrck · May 2013

Orick wrote: »

AvalonGuard wrote: »

Apparently the Atlas-D in that screenshot utilizes jump jets.
WANT

It's also 128 ton.

Out of 238. And has a broken cockpit.

BillGates · May 2013

TOGSolid wrote: »

That UI is masturbation worthy. It looks like the lighting engine is improved as well.

Do.
Want.

I think they might be on DX 11 already. Well internally, that is.

If so.
Want.

CarbonFire · May 2013

That interface is pretty hot. Like, "I can't believe PGI managed to make an interface that good" hot.

However, "SHIFT + TAB To bring up Social Interface".... I hope we can rebind that. And hopefully chat and invite messages pop up in the interface.

Mvrck · May 2013

http://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/117053-ui-20/

Full details are up. Looks fucking HOT.

nonoffensive · May 2013

Was I the only one kind of hoping for a Freespace style hanger with animated stuff happening and clicking on things adventure game style? Early MW games had that style too, or maybe just 2?

For just having standalone maps in linear order, MW3 made it feel like you were actually trekking across a planet. Hopefully they can capture some of that with community warfare.

TOGSolid · May 2013

Mvrck wrote: »

http://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/117053-ui-20/

Full details are up. Looks fucking HOT.

o_o

I WANT MY OOMPA LOOMPA NAOW

Phoenix-D · May 2013

That looks a lot busier but I'm not sure its any better. (aside from not being in a tiny window)

Mvrck · May 2013

Oh by the way. Left unmentioned in the writeup, but it snuck into the last screenshot.

Apparently a new currency.

Edit: Nevermind, just showing you your GeneralXP

3clipse · May 2013

It's the new currency for buying Clantech! It's one dollar per one currency.

Delphinidaes · May 2013

Mvrck wrote: »

Oh by the way. Left unmentioned in the writeup, but it snuck into the last screenshot.

Apparently a new currency.

Edit: Nevermind, just showing you your GeneralXP

Yeah the Gxp in the image was a dead giveaway

I love the new layouts though, much more streamlined, much more intuitive, more options available (YAY for weapongrouping before a match!) and in general just much sexier.

Stabbity Style · May 2013

I guess I still need to see it in action, but the screenshots of mech configuration didn't really look convenient to use.

Also, shift+tab to access grouping seems kind of messed up. And yeah, they better rebind that, because I use Mechwarrior through Steam.

Phoenix-D · May 2013

At least my Wang doesn't have the big target on it any more.

Now, if only that hadn't colored ALL my Centurions at the same time.

CarbonFire · May 2013

Stabbity Style wrote: »

I guess I still need to see it in action, but the screenshots of mech configuration didn't really look convenient to use.

Also, shift+tab to access grouping seems kind of messed up. And yeah, they better rebind that, because I use Mechwarrior through Steam.

The store and inventory compare windows look a LOT better. But the Mech Configuration screens? Agreed, I'd have to see those in action, but everything looks way too big, almost "10ft user interface" big.

Mvrck · May 2013

CarbonFire wrote: »

Stabbity Style wrote: »

I guess I still need to see it in action, but the screenshots of mech configuration didn't really look convenient to use.

Also, shift+tab to access grouping seems kind of messed up. And yeah, they better rebind that, because I use Mechwarrior through Steam.

The store and inventory compare windows look a LOT better. But the Mech Configuration screens? Agreed, I'd have to see those in action, but everything looks way too big, almost "10ft user interface" big.

Do you find the version of our online current mechlab to be too big? It's probably going to be just slightly larger than that, with a drill down to each component section as you add stuff, judging by the screens.

CarbonFire · May 2013

Mvrck wrote: »

CarbonFire wrote: »

Stabbity Style wrote: »

I guess I still need to see it in action, but the screenshots of mech configuration didn't really look convenient to use.

Also, shift+tab to access grouping seems kind of messed up. And yeah, they better rebind that, because I use Mechwarrior through Steam.

The store and inventory compare windows look a LOT better. But the Mech Configuration screens? Agreed, I'd have to see those in action, but everything looks way too big, almost "10ft user interface" big.

Do you find the version of our online current mechlab to be too big? It's probably going to be just slightly larger than that, with a drill down to each component section as you add stuff, judging by the screens.

Honestly, a little. But it's a fair bit more usable than having to drill down into each individual mech section just to swap items. I can see that getting tedious as hell. I can't fathom any scenario where I'd want to examine just one single mech section, rather than have a complete overview of my entire mech, like all of the current mech lab implementations have it now. It's obviously simpler to understand for new players, but it looks worse compared to what we have now (from a usability perspective).

Also, if you look at the mech details window, that's just for information....it doesn't appear you can actually swap parts from that window, unless they've got some sort of pop-out inventory window or something.

Edit: Upon reflecting on it further, I guess it's not all that different than what we've got now. Kind of wish they had taken a step towards making it more like the web-based mech lab implementations, but eh, they're clearly not going to change their approach now.

Forbe! · May 2013

Get in vent for mech action.

Mvrck · May 2013

Edit: I am dumb.

Mvrck · May 2013

CarbonFire wrote: »

Edit: Upon reflecting on it further, I guess it's not all that different than what we've got now. Kind of wish they had taken a step towards making it more like the web-based mech lab implementations, but eh, they're clearly not going to change their approach now.

Yeah. I don't understand the need for a drill down interface when you have full screens to work with. It's not like anyone is going to be playing MWO on their iPhone and doesn't have the screen real estate to spare.

BillGates · May 2013

This UI overhual, it's only for outside the game? There are no changes (that I know of) for in-game UI?

Mvrck · May 2013

I highly doubt that's going to be the finally version because of something else I just noticed about those mockups:
They didn't leave space for hardpoints in the head.

BillGates · May 2013

There is a open hardpoint in the head. It looks right to me...its just being used by a standard heatsink.

Mvrck · May 2013

BillGates wrote: »

There is a open hardpoint in the head. It looks right to me...its just being used by a standard heatsink.

Look at the arms/torsos. There are giant hardpoint icons. Energy & missiles in these cases. None on the head, and that head and center torso spacing is fairly tight as is with the bottom.

BillGates · May 2013

Hmm I do see that, odd.

WolveSight · May 2013

they did say it was just a mock-up, not actual screenshots. Still looks awesome though.

Spectrum · May 2013

Delphinidaes wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

HydroSqueegee wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

f3rret wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

This patch seemed to have messed something up with ELO. Maybe they are tweaking ELO values, point is it sucks right now.

Almost half of my matches are crazy out of wack for weight distribution.

Just had a game where it was 2 Assaults on our team vs there 6.

[goosery] Yeah but did either of those assaults on your team have the +2.5% bonus to arm pitch speed? That'll make all the difference. [/goosery]

Maybe it did, was me in a 733P and had a ally STK-M, with a normal kinda build, no 4XPPC.

My back is now hurting from winning that game.

sounds like elo is working as intended. sorry you had to suffer through that challenge as opposed to straight weight matching with retarded pubs.

It was refreshing to not have a win waiting for me on a platter.

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Had a game last night where it was almost all assaults on both sides. Their side had something like 4 Highlanders, 1 Atlas and a STK-M.

Clearly the STK-M was the tipping point, it was far more powerful than the 5 STK-M's we had on our team.

We managed to kill exactly ONE of them.

If i had to guess, it was the 4 HGN's that poptartted your entire STK-M's to death. Maybe it was Alpine? God that would suck on Alpine.

The ability to be outplayed on such a massive level...oh wait.

But Bill the STK-M has a 10% acceleration increase. Clearly with such overpowered mechs on our team (All of which Paid to Win obviously) we should have decimated the enemy team in their weakling CBill mechs.

Quit being a goose. You're well aware a marginal advantage doesn't matter if you were going to get crushed anyway due to other reasons.

Delphinidaes · May 2013

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

HydroSqueegee wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

f3rret wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

This patch seemed to have messed something up with ELO. Maybe they are tweaking ELO values, point is it sucks right now.

Almost half of my matches are crazy out of wack for weight distribution.

Just had a game where it was 2 Assaults on our team vs there 6.

[goosery] Yeah but did either of those assaults on your team have the +2.5% bonus to arm pitch speed? That'll make all the difference. [/goosery]

Maybe it did, was me in a 733P and had a ally STK-M, with a normal kinda build, no 4XPPC.

My back is now hurting from winning that game.

sounds like elo is working as intended. sorry you had to suffer through that challenge as opposed to straight weight matching with retarded pubs.

It was refreshing to not have a win waiting for me on a platter.

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Had a game last night where it was almost all assaults on both sides. Their side had something like 4 Highlanders, 1 Atlas and a STK-M.

Clearly the STK-M was the tipping point, it was far more powerful than the 5 STK-M's we had on our team.

We managed to kill exactly ONE of them.

If i had to guess, it was the 4 HGN's that poptartted your entire STK-M's to death. Maybe it was Alpine? God that would suck on Alpine.

The ability to be outplayed on such a massive level...oh wait.

But Bill the STK-M has a 10% acceleration increase. Clearly with such overpowered mechs on our team (All of which Paid to Win obviously) we should have decimated the enemy team in their weakling CBill mechs.

Quit being a goose. You're well aware a marginal advantage doesn't matter if you were going to get crushed anyway due to other reasons.

Actually my point was that a marginal advantage doesn't actually exist. The STK-M has an acceleration advantage, yes, but unfortunately the other variants can output better weaponry that more than makes up for that slight boost.

But so long as we are of an understanding that even in the opposition you consider it a "marginal" advantage then it would seem the idea of PTW is pretty well defeated at this point. Especially since that marginal advantage (for the rest of us at least) doesn't even really exist.

Add on top of that that my wording pretty well obviously showed I was being facetious and I am quite aware that player skill, coordination, and positioning are paramount I find it quite funny that you decided to try and call me out on that

Spectrum · May 2013

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

HydroSqueegee wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

f3rret wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

This patch seemed to have messed something up with ELO. Maybe they are tweaking ELO values, point is it sucks right now.

Almost half of my matches are crazy out of wack for weight distribution.

Just had a game where it was 2 Assaults on our team vs there 6.

[goosery] Yeah but did either of those assaults on your team have the +2.5% bonus to arm pitch speed? That'll make all the difference. [/goosery]

Maybe it did, was me in a 733P and had a ally STK-M, with a normal kinda build, no 4XPPC.

My back is now hurting from winning that game.

sounds like elo is working as intended. sorry you had to suffer through that challenge as opposed to straight weight matching with retarded pubs.

It was refreshing to not have a win waiting for me on a platter.

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Had a game last night where it was almost all assaults on both sides. Their side had something like 4 Highlanders, 1 Atlas and a STK-M.

Clearly the STK-M was the tipping point, it was far more powerful than the 5 STK-M's we had on our team.

We managed to kill exactly ONE of them.

If i had to guess, it was the 4 HGN's that poptartted your entire STK-M's to death. Maybe it was Alpine? God that would suck on Alpine.

The ability to be outplayed on such a massive level...oh wait.

But Bill the STK-M has a 10% acceleration increase. Clearly with such overpowered mechs on our team (All of which Paid to Win obviously) we should have decimated the enemy team in their weakling CBill mechs.

Quit being a goose. You're well aware a marginal advantage doesn't matter if you were going to get crushed anyway due to other reasons.

Actually my point was that a marginal advantage doesn't actually exist. The STK-M has an acceleration advantage, yes, but unfortunately the other variants can output better weaponry that more than makes up for that slight boost.

But so long as we are of an understanding that even in the opposition you consider it a "marginal" advantage then it would seem the idea of PTW is pretty well defeated at this point. Especially since that marginal advantage (for the rest of us at least) doesn't even really exist.

I don't think you've read a single one of my posts if you think I ever considered a STK-M PTW, but GJ lumping people together. :^:

Delphinidaes · May 2013

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

HydroSqueegee wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

f3rret wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

This patch seemed to have messed something up with ELO. Maybe they are tweaking ELO values, point is it sucks right now.

Almost half of my matches are crazy out of wack for weight distribution.

Just had a game where it was 2 Assaults on our team vs there 6.

[goosery] Yeah but did either of those assaults on your team have the +2.5% bonus to arm pitch speed? That'll make all the difference. [/goosery]

Maybe it did, was me in a 733P and had a ally STK-M, with a normal kinda build, no 4XPPC.

My back is now hurting from winning that game.

sounds like elo is working as intended. sorry you had to suffer through that challenge as opposed to straight weight matching with retarded pubs.

It was refreshing to not have a win waiting for me on a platter.

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Had a game last night where it was almost all assaults on both sides. Their side had something like 4 Highlanders, 1 Atlas and a STK-M.

Clearly the STK-M was the tipping point, it was far more powerful than the 5 STK-M's we had on our team.

We managed to kill exactly ONE of them.

If i had to guess, it was the 4 HGN's that poptartted your entire STK-M's to death. Maybe it was Alpine? God that would suck on Alpine.

The ability to be outplayed on such a massive level...oh wait.

But Bill the STK-M has a 10% acceleration increase. Clearly with such overpowered mechs on our team (All of which Paid to Win obviously) we should have decimated the enemy team in their weakling CBill mechs.

Quit being a goose. You're well aware a marginal advantage doesn't matter if you were going to get crushed anyway due to other reasons.

Actually my point was that a marginal advantage doesn't actually exist. The STK-M has an acceleration advantage, yes, but unfortunately the other variants can output better weaponry that more than makes up for that slight boost.

But so long as we are of an understanding that even in the opposition you consider it a "marginal" advantage then it would seem the idea of PTW is pretty well defeated at this point. Especially since that marginal advantage (for the rest of us at least) doesn't even really exist.

I don't think you've read a single one of my posts if you think I ever considered a STK-M PTW, but GJ lumping people. :^:

No but it's close enough, you just like to complain that you have to pay for a variant you would like to use and consider the ballistic hardpoint to somehow make it superior to your other variants. Which is close enough in my book.

BillGates · May 2013

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

HydroSqueegee wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

f3rret wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

This patch seemed to have messed something up with ELO. Maybe they are tweaking ELO values, point is it sucks right now.

Almost half of my matches are crazy out of wack for weight distribution.

Just had a game where it was 2 Assaults on our team vs there 6.

[goosery] Yeah but did either of those assaults on your team have the +2.5% bonus to arm pitch speed? That'll make all the difference. [/goosery]

Maybe it did, was me in a 733P and had a ally STK-M, with a normal kinda build, no 4XPPC.

My back is now hurting from winning that game.

sounds like elo is working as intended. sorry you had to suffer through that challenge as opposed to straight weight matching with retarded pubs.

It was refreshing to not have a win waiting for me on a platter.

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Had a game last night where it was almost all assaults on both sides. Their side had something like 4 Highlanders, 1 Atlas and a STK-M.

Clearly the STK-M was the tipping point, it was far more powerful than the 5 STK-M's we had on our team.

We managed to kill exactly ONE of them.

If i had to guess, it was the 4 HGN's that poptartted your entire STK-M's to death. Maybe it was Alpine? God that would suck on Alpine.

The ability to be outplayed on such a massive level...oh wait.

But Bill the STK-M has a 10% acceleration increase. Clearly with such overpowered mechs on our team (All of which Paid to Win obviously) we should have decimated the enemy team in their weakling CBill mechs.

Quit being a goose. You're well aware a marginal advantage doesn't matter if you were going to get crushed anyway due to other reasons.

Actually my point was that a marginal advantage doesn't actually exist. The STK-M has an acceleration advantage, yes, but unfortunately the other variants can output better weaponry that more than makes up for that slight boost.

But so long as we are of an understanding that even in the opposition you consider it a "marginal" advantage then it would seem the idea of PTW is pretty well defeated at this point. Especially since that marginal advantage (for the rest of us at least) doesn't even really exist.

Add on top of that that my wording pretty well obviously showed I was being facetious and I am quite aware that player skill, coordination, and positioning are paramount I find it quite funny that you decided to try and call me out on that

There is no point in arguing when you pull games that it wouldn't have mattered even if you had a omnimech you still would have lost.

Which is essentially what you did.

Delphinidaes · May 2013

BillGates wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

HydroSqueegee wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

f3rret wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

This patch seemed to have messed something up with ELO. Maybe they are tweaking ELO values, point is it sucks right now.

Almost half of my matches are crazy out of wack for weight distribution.

Just had a game where it was 2 Assaults on our team vs there 6.

[goosery] Yeah but did either of those assaults on your team have the +2.5% bonus to arm pitch speed? That'll make all the difference. [/goosery]

Maybe it did, was me in a 733P and had a ally STK-M, with a normal kinda build, no 4XPPC.

My back is now hurting from winning that game.

sounds like elo is working as intended. sorry you had to suffer through that challenge as opposed to straight weight matching with retarded pubs.

It was refreshing to not have a win waiting for me on a platter.

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Had a game last night where it was almost all assaults on both sides. Their side had something like 4 Highlanders, 1 Atlas and a STK-M.

Clearly the STK-M was the tipping point, it was far more powerful than the 5 STK-M's we had on our team.

We managed to kill exactly ONE of them.

If i had to guess, it was the 4 HGN's that poptartted your entire STK-M's to death. Maybe it was Alpine? God that would suck on Alpine.

The ability to be outplayed on such a massive level...oh wait.

But Bill the STK-M has a 10% acceleration increase. Clearly with such overpowered mechs on our team (All of which Paid to Win obviously) we should have decimated the enemy team in their weakling CBill mechs.

Quit being a goose. You're well aware a marginal advantage doesn't matter if you were going to get crushed anyway due to other reasons.

Actually my point was that a marginal advantage doesn't actually exist. The STK-M has an acceleration advantage, yes, but unfortunately the other variants can output better weaponry that more than makes up for that slight boost.

But so long as we are of an understanding that even in the opposition you consider it a "marginal" advantage then it would seem the idea of PTW is pretty well defeated at this point. Especially since that marginal advantage (for the rest of us at least) doesn't even really exist.

Add on top of that that my wording pretty well obviously showed I was being facetious and I am quite aware that player skill, coordination, and positioning are paramount I find it quite funny that you decided to try and call me out on that

There is no point in arguing when you pull games that it wouldn't have mattered even if you had a omnimech you still would have lost.

Which is essentially what you did.

That my dear Bill, was the entire point.

Or to be perfectly clear, the argument was purposefully absurd, in order to draw attention to your argument and how absurd it was. It was in no way a legitimate point of view it was meant to highlight the absurdity of the entire argument you were making.

Spectrum · May 2013

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

HydroSqueegee wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

f3rret wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

This patch seemed to have messed something up with ELO. Maybe they are tweaking ELO values, point is it sucks right now.

Almost half of my matches are crazy out of wack for weight distribution.

Just had a game where it was 2 Assaults on our team vs there 6.

[goosery] Yeah but did either of those assaults on your team have the +2.5% bonus to arm pitch speed? That'll make all the difference. [/goosery]

Maybe it did, was me in a 733P and had a ally STK-M, with a normal kinda build, no 4XPPC.

My back is now hurting from winning that game.

sounds like elo is working as intended. sorry you had to suffer through that challenge as opposed to straight weight matching with retarded pubs.

It was refreshing to not have a win waiting for me on a platter.

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Had a game last night where it was almost all assaults on both sides. Their side had something like 4 Highlanders, 1 Atlas and a STK-M.

Clearly the STK-M was the tipping point, it was far more powerful than the 5 STK-M's we had on our team.

We managed to kill exactly ONE of them.

If i had to guess, it was the 4 HGN's that poptartted your entire STK-M's to death. Maybe it was Alpine? God that would suck on Alpine.

The ability to be outplayed on such a massive level...oh wait.

But Bill the STK-M has a 10% acceleration increase. Clearly with such overpowered mechs on our team (All of which Paid to Win obviously) we should have decimated the enemy team in their weakling CBill mechs.

Quit being a goose. You're well aware a marginal advantage doesn't matter if you were going to get crushed anyway due to other reasons.

Actually my point was that a marginal advantage doesn't actually exist. The STK-M has an acceleration advantage, yes, but unfortunately the other variants can output better weaponry that more than makes up for that slight boost.

But so long as we are of an understanding that even in the opposition you consider it a "marginal" advantage then it would seem the idea of PTW is pretty well defeated at this point. Especially since that marginal advantage (for the rest of us at least) doesn't even really exist.

I don't think you've read a single one of my posts if you think I ever considered a STK-M PTW, but GJ lumping people. :^:

No but it's close enough, you just like to complain that you have to pay for a variant you would like to use and consider the ballistic hardpoint to somehow make it superior to your other variants. Which is close enough in my book.

Given your lack of reading comprehension and nuance, your book is simultaneously a pop-up book and a coloring one, aweinspiring in its uselessness.

Delphinidaes wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

HydroSqueegee wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

f3rret wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

This patch seemed to have messed something up with ELO. Maybe they are tweaking ELO values, point is it sucks right now.

Almost half of my matches are crazy out of wack for weight distribution.

Just had a game where it was 2 Assaults on our team vs there 6.

[goosery] Yeah but did either of those assaults on your team have the +2.5% bonus to arm pitch speed? That'll make all the difference. [/goosery]

Maybe it did, was me in a 733P and had a ally STK-M, with a normal kinda build, no 4XPPC.

My back is now hurting from winning that game.

sounds like elo is working as intended. sorry you had to suffer through that challenge as opposed to straight weight matching with retarded pubs.

It was refreshing to not have a win waiting for me on a platter.

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Had a game last night where it was almost all assaults on both sides. Their side had something like 4 Highlanders, 1 Atlas and a STK-M.

Clearly the STK-M was the tipping point, it was far more powerful than the 5 STK-M's we had on our team.

We managed to kill exactly ONE of them.

If i had to guess, it was the 4 HGN's that poptartted your entire STK-M's to death. Maybe it was Alpine? God that would suck on Alpine.

The ability to be outplayed on such a massive level...oh wait.

But Bill the STK-M has a 10% acceleration increase. Clearly with such overpowered mechs on our team (All of which Paid to Win obviously) we should have decimated the enemy team in their weakling CBill mechs.

Quit being a goose. You're well aware a marginal advantage doesn't matter if you were going to get crushed anyway due to other reasons.

Actually my point was that a marginal advantage doesn't actually exist. The STK-M has an acceleration advantage, yes, but unfortunately the other variants can output better weaponry that more than makes up for that slight boost.

But so long as we are of an understanding that even in the opposition you consider it a "marginal" advantage then it would seem the idea of PTW is pretty well defeated at this point. Especially since that marginal advantage (for the rest of us at least) doesn't even really exist.

Add on top of that that my wording pretty well obviously showed I was being facetious and I am quite aware that player skill, coordination, and positioning are paramount I find it quite funny that you decided to try and call me out on that

There is no point in arguing when you pull games that it wouldn't have mattered even if you had a omnimech you still would have lost.

Which is essentially what you did.

That my dear Bill, was the entire point.

Or to be perfectly clear, the argument was purposefully absurd, in order to draw attention to your argument and how absurd it was. It was in no way a legitimate point of view it was meant to highlight the absurdity of the entire argument you were making.

While I don't necessarily agree with him, given that one of the core focuses of Bill's argument has been his concerns about what this could mean for competitive play, how is what you are saying relevant?

BillGates · May 2013

Delphinidaes wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

HydroSqueegee wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

f3rret wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

This patch seemed to have messed something up with ELO. Maybe they are tweaking ELO values, point is it sucks right now.

Almost half of my matches are crazy out of wack for weight distribution.

Just had a game where it was 2 Assaults on our team vs there 6.

[goosery] Yeah but did either of those assaults on your team have the +2.5% bonus to arm pitch speed? That'll make all the difference. [/goosery]

Maybe it did, was me in a 733P and had a ally STK-M, with a normal kinda build, no 4XPPC.

My back is now hurting from winning that game.

sounds like elo is working as intended. sorry you had to suffer through that challenge as opposed to straight weight matching with retarded pubs.

It was refreshing to not have a win waiting for me on a platter.

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Had a game last night where it was almost all assaults on both sides. Their side had something like 4 Highlanders, 1 Atlas and a STK-M.

Clearly the STK-M was the tipping point, it was far more powerful than the 5 STK-M's we had on our team.

We managed to kill exactly ONE of them.

If i had to guess, it was the 4 HGN's that poptartted your entire STK-M's to death. Maybe it was Alpine? God that would suck on Alpine.

The ability to be outplayed on such a massive level...oh wait.

But Bill the STK-M has a 10% acceleration increase. Clearly with such overpowered mechs on our team (All of which Paid to Win obviously) we should have decimated the enemy team in their weakling CBill mechs.

Quit being a goose. You're well aware a marginal advantage doesn't matter if you were going to get crushed anyway due to other reasons.

Actually my point was that a marginal advantage doesn't actually exist. The STK-M has an acceleration advantage, yes, but unfortunately the other variants can output better weaponry that more than makes up for that slight boost.

But so long as we are of an understanding that even in the opposition you consider it a "marginal" advantage then it would seem the idea of PTW is pretty well defeated at this point. Especially since that marginal advantage (for the rest of us at least) doesn't even really exist.

Add on top of that that my wording pretty well obviously showed I was being facetious and I am quite aware that player skill, coordination, and positioning are paramount I find it quite funny that you decided to try and call me out on that

There is no point in arguing when you pull games that it wouldn't have mattered even if you had a omnimech you still would have lost.

Which is essentially what you did.

That my dear Bill, was the entire point.

Or to be perfectly clear, the argument was purposefully absurd, in order to draw attention to your argument and how absurd it was. It was in no way a legitimate point of view it was meant to highlight the absurdity of the entire argument you were making.

It's problem, and when this game goes competitive (Which they said they want it to) and they continue to release mechs with questionable stats unlike there C-Bill counterparts all MC mechs should be banned from competitive play.

They do that then ill be less annoyed but i'll take it. Otherwise the game won't live in E-Sports.

Delphinidaes · May 2013

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

HydroSqueegee wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

f3rret wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

This patch seemed to have messed something up with ELO. Maybe they are tweaking ELO values, point is it sucks right now.

Almost half of my matches are crazy out of wack for weight distribution.

Just had a game where it was 2 Assaults on our team vs there 6.

[goosery] Yeah but did either of those assaults on your team have the +2.5% bonus to arm pitch speed? That'll make all the difference. [/goosery]

Maybe it did, was me in a 733P and had a ally STK-M, with a normal kinda build, no 4XPPC.

My back is now hurting from winning that game.

sounds like elo is working as intended. sorry you had to suffer through that challenge as opposed to straight weight matching with retarded pubs.

It was refreshing to not have a win waiting for me on a platter.

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Had a game last night where it was almost all assaults on both sides. Their side had something like 4 Highlanders, 1 Atlas and a STK-M.

Clearly the STK-M was the tipping point, it was far more powerful than the 5 STK-M's we had on our team.

We managed to kill exactly ONE of them.

If i had to guess, it was the 4 HGN's that poptartted your entire STK-M's to death. Maybe it was Alpine? God that would suck on Alpine.

The ability to be outplayed on such a massive level...oh wait.

But Bill the STK-M has a 10% acceleration increase. Clearly with such overpowered mechs on our team (All of which Paid to Win obviously) we should have decimated the enemy team in their weakling CBill mechs.

Quit being a goose. You're well aware a marginal advantage doesn't matter if you were going to get crushed anyway due to other reasons.

Actually my point was that a marginal advantage doesn't actually exist. The STK-M has an acceleration advantage, yes, but unfortunately the other variants can output better weaponry that more than makes up for that slight boost.

But so long as we are of an understanding that even in the opposition you consider it a "marginal" advantage then it would seem the idea of PTW is pretty well defeated at this point. Especially since that marginal advantage (for the rest of us at least) doesn't even really exist.

I don't think you've read a single one of my posts if you think I ever considered a STK-M PTW, but GJ lumping people. :^:

No but it's close enough, you just like to complain that you have to pay for a variant you would like to use and consider the ballistic hardpoint to somehow make it superior to your other variants. Which is close enough in my book.

Given your lack of reading comprehension and nuance, your book is simultaneously a pop-up book and a coloring one, aweinspiring in its uselessness.

Oh quite clearly, I apparently misread "This variant is better than the variants I use, and it's shitty that I have to pay for the Hero Variant" (My paraphrase obviously) as something entirely different. My mistake.

For your benefit Bill that was me being sarcastic again.

*Edit* Spectrum, because the advantage afforded by the acceleration increase is not enough to overcome the hardpoint issues the variant has. But his obsessive focus on that singular aspect completely dismisses the other part which is why it is absurd.

Spectrum · May 2013

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

HydroSqueegee wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

f3rret wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

This patch seemed to have messed something up with ELO. Maybe they are tweaking ELO values, point is it sucks right now.

Almost half of my matches are crazy out of wack for weight distribution.

Just had a game where it was 2 Assaults on our team vs there 6.

[goosery] Yeah but did either of those assaults on your team have the +2.5% bonus to arm pitch speed? That'll make all the difference. [/goosery]

Maybe it did, was me in a 733P and had a ally STK-M, with a normal kinda build, no 4XPPC.

My back is now hurting from winning that game.

sounds like elo is working as intended. sorry you had to suffer through that challenge as opposed to straight weight matching with retarded pubs.

It was refreshing to not have a win waiting for me on a platter.

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Had a game last night where it was almost all assaults on both sides. Their side had something like 4 Highlanders, 1 Atlas and a STK-M.

Clearly the STK-M was the tipping point, it was far more powerful than the 5 STK-M's we had on our team.

We managed to kill exactly ONE of them.

If i had to guess, it was the 4 HGN's that poptartted your entire STK-M's to death. Maybe it was Alpine? God that would suck on Alpine.

The ability to be outplayed on such a massive level...oh wait.

But Bill the STK-M has a 10% acceleration increase. Clearly with such overpowered mechs on our team (All of which Paid to Win obviously) we should have decimated the enemy team in their weakling CBill mechs.

Quit being a goose. You're well aware a marginal advantage doesn't matter if you were going to get crushed anyway due to other reasons.

Actually my point was that a marginal advantage doesn't actually exist. The STK-M has an acceleration advantage, yes, but unfortunately the other variants can output better weaponry that more than makes up for that slight boost.

But so long as we are of an understanding that even in the opposition you consider it a "marginal" advantage then it would seem the idea of PTW is pretty well defeated at this point. Especially since that marginal advantage (for the rest of us at least) doesn't even really exist.

I don't think you've read a single one of my posts if you think I ever considered a STK-M PTW, but GJ lumping people. :^:

No but it's close enough, you just like to complain that you have to pay for a variant you would like to use and consider the ballistic hardpoint to somehow make it superior to your other variants. Which is close enough in my book.

Given your lack of reading comprehension and nuance, your book is simultaneously a pop-up book and a coloring one, aweinspiring in its uselessness.

Oh quite clearly, I apparently misread "This variant is better than the variants I use, and it's shitty that I have to pay for the Hero Variant" (My paraphrase obviously) as something entirely different. My mistake.

For your benefit Bill that was me being sarcastic again.

"This variant has a hardpoint type that is unavailable on the variants I can normally get and it's shitty I have to pay for it."

Your paraphrase is still shit. Yes it's your mistake.

Delphinidaes · May 2013

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

HydroSqueegee wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

f3rret wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

This patch seemed to have messed something up with ELO. Maybe they are tweaking ELO values, point is it sucks right now.

Almost half of my matches are crazy out of wack for weight distribution.

Just had a game where it was 2 Assaults on our team vs there 6.

[goosery] Yeah but did either of those assaults on your team have the +2.5% bonus to arm pitch speed? That'll make all the difference. [/goosery]

Maybe it did, was me in a 733P and had a ally STK-M, with a normal kinda build, no 4XPPC.

My back is now hurting from winning that game.

sounds like elo is working as intended. sorry you had to suffer through that challenge as opposed to straight weight matching with retarded pubs.

It was refreshing to not have a win waiting for me on a platter.

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Had a game last night where it was almost all assaults on both sides. Their side had something like 4 Highlanders, 1 Atlas and a STK-M.

Clearly the STK-M was the tipping point, it was far more powerful than the 5 STK-M's we had on our team.

We managed to kill exactly ONE of them.

If i had to guess, it was the 4 HGN's that poptartted your entire STK-M's to death. Maybe it was Alpine? God that would suck on Alpine.

The ability to be outplayed on such a massive level...oh wait.

But Bill the STK-M has a 10% acceleration increase. Clearly with such overpowered mechs on our team (All of which Paid to Win obviously) we should have decimated the enemy team in their weakling CBill mechs.

Quit being a goose. You're well aware a marginal advantage doesn't matter if you were going to get crushed anyway due to other reasons.

Actually my point was that a marginal advantage doesn't actually exist. The STK-M has an acceleration advantage, yes, but unfortunately the other variants can output better weaponry that more than makes up for that slight boost.

But so long as we are of an understanding that even in the opposition you consider it a "marginal" advantage then it would seem the idea of PTW is pretty well defeated at this point. Especially since that marginal advantage (for the rest of us at least) doesn't even really exist.

I don't think you've read a single one of my posts if you think I ever considered a STK-M PTW, but GJ lumping people. :^:

No but it's close enough, you just like to complain that you have to pay for a variant you would like to use and consider the ballistic hardpoint to somehow make it superior to your other variants. Which is close enough in my book.

Given your lack of reading comprehension and nuance, your book is simultaneously a pop-up book and a coloring one, aweinspiring in its uselessness.

Oh quite clearly, I apparently misread "This variant is better than the variants I use, and it's shitty that I have to pay for the Hero Variant" (My paraphrase obviously) as something entirely different. My mistake.

For your benefit Bill that was me being sarcastic again.

"This variant has a hardpoint type that is unavailable on the variants I can normally get and it's shitty I have to pay for it."

Your paraphrase is still shit. Yes it's your mistake.

Followed then by your comparison of what you could build on it compared to what you can run in your current variants. But hey that's ok.

Of course maybe I'm wrong and Bill has a point:

BillGates · May 2013

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

Delphinidaes wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

HydroSqueegee wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

f3rret wrote: »

BillGates wrote: »

This patch seemed to have messed something up with ELO. Maybe they are tweaking ELO values, point is it sucks right now.

Almost half of my matches are crazy out of wack for weight distribution.

Just had a game where it was 2 Assaults on our team vs there 6.

[goosery] Yeah but did either of those assaults on your team have the +2.5% bonus to arm pitch speed? That'll make all the difference. [/goosery]

Maybe it did, was me in a 733P and had a ally STK-M, with a normal kinda build, no 4XPPC.

My back is now hurting from winning that game.

sounds like elo is working as intended. sorry you had to suffer through that challenge as opposed to straight weight matching with retarded pubs.

It was refreshing to not have a win waiting for me on a platter.

Delphinidaes wrote: »

Had a game last night where it was almost all assaults on both sides. Their side had something like 4 Highlanders, 1 Atlas and a STK-M.

Clearly the STK-M was the tipping point, it was far more powerful than the 5 STK-M's we had on our team.

We managed to kill exactly ONE of them.

If i had to guess, it was the 4 HGN's that poptartted your entire STK-M's to death. Maybe it was Alpine? God that would suck on Alpine.

The ability to be outplayed on such a massive level...oh wait.

But Bill the STK-M has a 10% acceleration increase. Clearly with such overpowered mechs on our team (All of which Paid to Win obviously) we should have decimated the enemy team in their weakling CBill mechs.

Quit being a goose. You're well aware a marginal advantage doesn't matter if you were going to get crushed anyway due to other reasons.

Actually my point was that a marginal advantage doesn't actually exist. The STK-M has an acceleration advantage, yes, but unfortunately the other variants can output better weaponry that more than makes up for that slight boost.

But so long as we are of an understanding that even in the opposition you consider it a "marginal" advantage then it would seem the idea of PTW is pretty well defeated at this point. Especially since that marginal advantage (for the rest of us at least) doesn't even really exist.

I don't think you've read a single one of my posts if you think I ever considered a STK-M PTW, but GJ lumping people. :^:

No but it's close enough, you just like to complain that you have to pay for a variant you would like to use and consider the ballistic hardpoint to somehow make it superior to your other variants. Which is close enough in my book.

Given your lack of reading comprehension and nuance, your book is simultaneously a pop-up book and a coloring one, aweinspiring in its uselessness.

Oh quite clearly, I apparently misread "This variant is better than the variants I use, and it's shitty that I have to pay for the Hero Variant" (My paraphrase obviously) as something entirely different. My mistake.

For your benefit Bill that was me being sarcastic again.

*Edit* Spectrum, because the advantage afforded by the acceleration increase is not enough to overcome the hardpoint issues the variant has. But his obsessive focus on that singular aspect completely dismisses the other part which is why it is absurd.

What you consider hardpoint issues I don't understand, I have built goods builds in the lab and seen good builds on the field that show nothing is wrong with the weapons it can use.

There is no indication to point out a weakness is its hardpoints, infact, I have seen the exact opposite, with most Miserys topping the end game screen, pretty consistently. If all you have to fall back on are hardpoints, then I don't see enough evidence to support this.

m!ttens · May 2013

My work: incomplete
I rage at nothing as I
Crash back to mech lab.

Spectrum · May 2013

Well, that was silly.

Running my almost pure LRM CPLT-C1 with a Tag and BillGates NARCing for me on Alpine, firing most (>80%) of my missiles into large targets for clean hits...

...606 damage.

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