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A Thread of A Series of Books of A Song of Ice and Fire (BOOK AND TV SPOILERS HERE)
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Nope, he can't refuse Ygritte because she was testing him to see if he would break his vows. And Qhorin told him "whatever they ask of you".
still broken!
vows are stupid.
So many vows. They make you swear and swear.
Doesn't work because the whole point of the fake-Arya storyline is the Boltons need a Stark to marry themselves too in order to help legitimize their new position.
Also, kinda wrecks the whole Jon part of the story since it's about saving his favourite sister which is far stronger motivation then the wife he may not even know his brother has.
He didn't marry her or knock her up. They just fucked. A lot.
Jon gets pulled into the quagmire not so much because he's trying to rescue his sister, but because he's working with Stannis. He does send Mance and company after not-Arya, but I could see him going that for for his brother's wife. The final push, Ramsey's letter, brings Jon openly into conflict with Ramsey because it threatens to bring the Watch into it and to arm the Watch. None of the Jon/Ramsey conflict hinges on not-Arya; she adds weight to it, and not-Jeyne would add less weight to the plot, but the identity of the woman in need of rescuing isn't the critical issue. The point where Jon breaks the spirit of his vows as understood by the Watch is when he starts providing Stannis with military advice.
Random thought: if Jeyne is pregnant, the idea might be that Robb's son/daughter is born, and to be raised by Ramsey. Having a living Stark to act as the heir to Winterfell might help keep the northern lords in line with the new Bolton rulers of the north. Rescuing his niece or nephew from Ramsey provides Jon motivation enough.
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If that is actually unspoiled speculation that's some damn good detective work. Of course it'd be the easiest thing in the world for a book reader to make a fake unspoiled alt account to pretend with. Maybe I'm a cynic, but the latter seems way more likely.
Yea, and if Roose does it'll still work out. I just really like the extra salt it adds to the whole mess, it just really makes the RW so over the top perfect. So many little facets set up throughout three books.
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Theon is painful, but I respect why they're letting him stay in the show. Shame non-book readers can't appreciate it.
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She was a petulant entitled bitch in the books, too
Like
That's kind of her thing
Yea, I think that letter she was writing might not have been going to her mother.
Except there's no reason for the Boltons to want anything to do with not-Jeyne. The connection is far too tenuous and one of the biggest themes of the North storyline is the fact that they only really fear the Boltons but that they are loyal to the Starks. They need that legitimacy and a not-Stark with a Stark baby incoming just ain't gonna cut it.
And Jon very much interferes in the shit at Winterfell because it's Arya. That's why there's the whole Girl Karstark plotline in there too.
The fact that it's supposed to be Arya, the last accounted for Stark kid is a big deal.
I guess I just don't see a vow of celibacy in there.
Condoms aren't a thing, but moon tea is.
I know there is separation between the show and the books but GRRM has been a part of the show and they explicitly stated celibacy as a vow in Season 1. At least in the show world it exists. Not to far a stretch in my mind to bring it into the Book world. In the end we can split hairs about this one particular vow but just ignore the fact that he "let" Stannis stay at the wall, gave him a castle and let the Wildlings through the gates and gave them land and plotted to get his fake-sister out of the hands of the Boltons. All pretty big "taking part of affairs of the kingdom".
I was really, really surprised on my current re-read how blatantly out for money and comfort Shae is, and how stupid Tyrion is for missing it, though its perfectly understandable why he would. In my head there was some small chance she gave a damn about Tyrion, but it's clear she couldn't give less of a fuck. I know Tyrion liked her from the beginning because she was basically a Bronn he wanted to play Come into the Castle with, but he was also never so stupid as to fall in love with Bronn.
Edit: It's fairly blatantly stated in the books that everybody understands the vows to mean celibacy. Jon flips out about sleeping with Ygritte well before he's falling for her.
Also, my love for any impression that goes, "I'm so-and-so and I'm a blah blah," knows no bounds. I could watch her mock Jon for hours.
"Oh look at me I'm Jon Snow and I know nothing except what a windmill looks like."
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Actually, that might be the truth. She did write it in High Valyrian so presumably notJeyne learned it from her mother/grandmother. That said, I would suspect the translated contents would find themselves on a raven from the Crag to King's Landing.
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Not in a world with Moon Tea it doesn't. They talk about men going to the nearby towns and sleeping with whores all the time. Not to mention when they go on missions to bring prisoners back. It just means you're not allowed to have an heir. Which is a big deal in a feudal society.
It is also stated that while it should be looked down upon it isn't because realistically you dont want a bunch of celibate men, coming from the backrounds they do, to not have release. Despite the oaths.
Yea. It's the high Valyrian aspect that made my alarm bells tingle, but the pregnancy makes it tough to tell. One of the reasons this story is so good.
The Jon/Ygritte stuff is really, really good. So much more involving than it ever was in the books, I feel like that story is the biggest improvement while Robb/Talisa is the most downgraded, though they had a great scene together tonight.
The epic Joffrey/Tywin confrontation in the finale looks like it's going to be ratched up even more from the books, judging by the preview.
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Losing a dream sequence in a film/tv is never a bad thing.
Yes.
Somehow, that's worse