Universal Studio's new film in November: Ender's Game

Munkus Beaver

interrobang wrote: »

i think Ender is supposed to be like 8 when he fights that kid in the showers

You mean when he

murders the kid?

MrMonroe

so are there going to be scenes in this movie with this 16-year-old's glistening, naked body wrestling with naked older boys in the showers

I'm very concerned about movie adaptations remaining true to the source material

Uriel

I think I'd rather see that movie with will Smith and his kid.

Mysst

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

interrobang wrote: »

i think Ender is supposed to be like 8 when he fights that kid in the showers

You mean when he

murders another kid?

SirEtchwarts

Uriel wrote: »

I think I'd rather see that movie with will Smith and his kid.

And that's saying something!

-pause, laugh track-

GSM

Look, if someone just explains to him that gay people aren't varelse, I'm sure he'll get it.

Skeith

Pretty sure that ship sailed years ago.

WheatBun01

I'm glad I stand corrected in that they are 8 instead of 12. Now I feel better about this whole thing, does Harrison Ford watch them? Does he advocate it?

Machwing

man I liked shadow complex

def. the best metroidalike on xbox, and a steal for 15 bux

gtrmp

let's not overlook the really overt incest overtones between the protagonists in Ender's Game

also the interpretation of Ender as barely-coded apologia for Hitler

Uriel

Machwing wrote: »

man I liked shadow complex

def. the best metroidalike on xbox, and a steal for 15 bux

Nope. Symphony of the night is on there.

TrippyJing

After Earth is just going to be a two-hour long Bel Air.

Brian Krakow

gtrmp wrote: »

let's not overlook the really overt incest overtones between the protagonists in Ender's Game

I've never read Ender's Game but Jesus Christ. How the hell do you slip fairly obvious incestuous subtext into a YA novel?

Elaro

gtrmp wrote: »

let's not overlook the really overt incest overtones between the protagonists in Ender's Game

also the interpretation of Ender as barely-coded apologia for Hitler

Whaaat? Maybe Card intended Ender to have parallels with Hitler in which case, what a dick, but

Ender is literally not guilty of genocide, even though that's what occurs. All he knows is, he's practicing fighting the alien. In fact he wishes to quit training, and demonstrates this by an act of figurative insubordination, doing the one thing his superiors have expressed disapproval of, but that act ends up wiping out the aliens and "saving the day". The real culprits are the ones who set up the whole plan in the first place, not Ender. Now, if he had been more forthright about his wanting to quit, then maybe the situation could have been averted, but maybe not. Someone else would have given the order. I mean, it couldn't have been that hard to figure out that blowing up the planet=automatic victory.

Brian Krakow wrote: »

gtrmp wrote: »

let's not overlook the really overt incest overtones between the protagonists in Ender's Game

I've never read Ender's Game but Jesus Christ. How the hell do you slip fairly obvious incestuous subtext into a YA novel?

I think it's a combination of "kids don't know any better" and "it's so outrageous our minds just refuse to accept it".

BYToady

TrippyJing wrote: »

After Earth is just going to be a two-hour long Bel Air.

I'd probably watch a 2 hour movie about The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. As long as they had Will Smith there to reprise his role.

HeadCreeps

I've never read Ender's Game, but the things I've heard about Card always caused me to shy away from it.

I have read his short story 'Jamaica' and that was more than enough for me.

UnbreakableVow

I've never read Ender's Game

I'll see the movie though, sure

Munkus Beaver

Yeah, with regards to Wiggin

committing total genocide - way to go, Wiggin - he didn't actually mean to do it. He thought it was a training simulator and by being so ruthless he would get a failing grade and be unassigned.

Though I don't know how he didn't figure out what was happening, there were only ten pages left in the book.

Binary Squid

gtrmp wrote: »

let's not overlook the really overt incest overtones between the protagonists in Ender's Game

also the interpretation of Ender as barely-coded apologia for Hitler

Hmm, I always thought the use of Buggers was a typical example of derogatory nicknames created by humans about their enemies, like the equivalent of Americans calling their enemies "Japs" or numerous other such nicknames that seem to pop up in wartime situations.

MrMonroe

Elaro wrote: »

gtrmp wrote: »

let's not overlook the really overt incest overtones between the protagonists in Ender's Game

also the interpretation of Ender as barely-coded apologia for Hitler

Whaaat? Maybe Card intended Ender to have parallels with Hitler in which case, what a dick, but

Ender is literally not guilty of genocide, even though that's what occurs. All he knows is, he's practicing fighting the alien. In fact he wishes to quit training, and demonstrates this by an act of figurative insubordination, doing the one thing his superiors have expressed disapproval of, but that act ends up wiping out the aliens and "saving the day". The real culprits are the ones who set up the whole plan in the first place, not Ender. Now, if he had been more forthright about his wanting to quit, then maybe the situation could have been averted, but maybe not. Someone else would have given the order. I mean, it couldn't have been that hard to figure out that blowing up the planet=automatic victory.

Brian Krakow wrote: »

gtrmp wrote: »

let's not overlook the really overt incest overtones between the protagonists in Ender's Game

I've never read Ender's Game but Jesus Christ. How the hell do you slip fairly obvious incestuous subtext into a YA novel?

I think it's a combination of "kids don't know any better" and "it's so outrageous our minds just refuse to accept it".

that's the whole point

e- Munkus is right, the SoL hasn't run out on spoilers for this one yet

that's why it's a great piece of apologetics for Nazism: the protagonist is unwilling to grasp power but has to, because he's perfect, it really couldn't end up any other way. And his genocidal actions aren't really his, they were just forced upon him by the fact that it was necessary and he was literally the only one in the galaxy that could handle it.

Munkus Beaver

Might want to spoiler that, @MrMonroe.

Dragkonias

Binary Squid wrote: »

gtrmp wrote: »

let's not overlook the really overt incest overtones between the protagonists in Ender's Game

also the interpretation of Ender as barely-coded apologia for Hitler

Hmm, I always thought the use of Buggers was a typical example of derogatory nicknames created by humans about their enemies, like the equivalent of Americans calling their enemies "Japs" or numerous other such nicknames that seem to pop up in wartime situations.

I actually just looked up the word myself and...given the man's leanings...it is a pretty interesting phrase to have chosen.

A Dabble Of Thelonius

Card's a goose. I liked the book. I'll probably see the movie.

My bullet points for the day.

I Win Swordfights

i'm hype, i liked this book in eighth grade and don't care about anything past it

Binary Squid

Dragkonias wrote: »

I actually just looked up the word myself and...given the man's leanings...it is a pretty interesting phrase to have chosen.

Oh, definitely, and I'd thought of the same thing. That he tried to think of the "worst" thing his closed little mind could concieve of and that became the alien's derogatory nickname.

Poorochondriac

Fuck Ender's Game.

Poorochondriac

Fuck Card, too, but that book sucked well before he let his shitbag flag fly publicly

Darmak

I really liked Ender's Game, I didn't see the ending coming because I was reading the Kindle version and wasn't paying attention to % of completion.

Probably will see this too, I don't really care what Card has said and done.

Gatsby

As a disenfranchised teen I didn't mind ender's game when I first read it. Now it's kinda a non-entity to me which I'm glad had no lasting impression on me when I was younger.

Poorochondriac

Gross themes, godawful dialogue, garbage prose, largely shitty characterization.

It's paced well, but that is the beginning and end of my praise.

Binary Squid

It's such a dull book. I read it because someone had said it was decent, and it just wasn't good.

Shorty

ummmm Shadow Complex had fuck-all to do with Card and is easily one of the best games on Live Arcade

UnbreakableVow

Shadow Complex is fucking amazing and I enjoyed it more than any actual Metroid game

That is not damning to Metroid, it is just really high praise for Shadow Complex

Shorty

Shadow Complex was a better Metroid game than some actual Metroid games

Centipede Damascus

when I was younger I read just about anything by Card I could get my hands on

up until the end of the Alvin Maker series turned into an explicit metaphor for the founding of the Mormon church

that was weird

interrobang

Shorty wrote: »

ummmm Shadow Complex had fuck-all to do with Card and is easily one of the best games on Live Arcade

Cliff Bleszinski, design consultant at Epic Games for Shadow Complex, indicated during an E3 interview that the game runs parallel to the events in the Orson Scott Card novel, Empire, and that the game will dovetail with the sequel to the book, Hidden Empire. Empire is a Chair-owned intellectual property that was licensed to Orson Scott Card to create a series of novels.

Bucketman

I liked these books, and I only read them like 2 years ago. I don't think I got the same message as you did?

I dunno. I might see this if I'm still working at the theater. Card is an ass though yes

Virgil_Leads_You

I think the Hitler connection to the main character is a reach.
Ender's Game is essentially a story about a child soldier, and a world being shaped by talented children (some of which are probably sociopaths).
Wiggin isn't a politician, and from my memory, he never really takes on an aggressive ideological role.

Something tells me that Hitler wouldn't become an ambassador and protector of the Jews, if he had won his war.

As for the Incest thing, I don't remember the main character ever describing or hinting at anything more than brotherly feelings for his sister.

His sister is viewed in a sappier light than his brother, mainly because his brother is a horrible horrible person, and his sister serves as a friendly voice outside his child soldier world.
Later Book Spoilers

The only thing that would make me wonder if there was some incest bs, would be if Ender somehow hooked up with one of his family's descendants, which might be a thing that happens.

I get that O.S. Card is a crazy person with awful opinions though, so I can see why folks who haven't read the books might be cautious about the upcoming movie.

Shorty

interrobang wrote: »

Shorty wrote: »

ummmm Shadow Complex had fuck-all to do with Card and is easily one of the best games on Live Arcade

Cliff Bleszinski, design consultant at Epic Games for Shadow Complex, indicated during an E3 interview that the game runs parallel to the events in the Orson Scott Card novel, Empire, and that the game will dovetail with the sequel to the book, Hidden Empire. Empire is a Chair-owned intellectual property that was licensed to Orson Scott Card to create a series of novels.

yes

IP licensed to Card

he was not involved in the creation of Shadow Complex in any way

he is not listed in the credits

and he does not get any money from it

all you have to do is not buy his undoubtedly shitty spinoff novels

there, moral crisis averted

now go play Shadow Complex

Brainleech

Antimatter wrote: »

reminder that Orson Scott Card isnt just some vocal bigot, he's on the board of directors for the national organization for marriage which exists to oppose every form of gay marriage, civil union, and gay adoption

That and his books are where I know him from
But I sadly will try to remain a civil person when people talk about this movie/book or what not

I have not read the books