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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    My mind boggles over how so many people are mad at this movie

    I mean, if we're considering comic fans as people in this case (and I'm speaking as one)
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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Puts his name on his helicoptor.. ..so everyone knows it's his.Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Well, let me put it this way.
    I really wanted to see the Mandarin in this movie. They advertised a toned down, but still potentially interesting Mandarin for this movie.

    Instead we got a comedic twist, and Aldrich Killian yelling "I AM THE MANDARIN."

    No.. No you are not. You're Aldrich Killian. You already had your own thing going on as a character, putting some dragon tattoos on you and making you the secret puppet master doesn't make you the Mandarin.

    Movie was still good; but I would have rather they played it more straight in regards to a character I really wanted to see on the big screen. Instead we either got "the mandarin doesn't exist" or tacking on qualities of him onto a completely unrelated character.

    Like I said, I still liked the movie, and I like the twist despite itself, but I can totally see why people would be mad over this.
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  • PaperLuigi44PaperLuigi44 And when she knooooows, what she wants, from her ty-y-ype Registered User regular
    exist wrote: »
    i had it figured out around the third or fourth trailer that played before the movie started, personally

    Iron Man 3 spoilers
    Superman... Amy Adams... Muppets... Puppet... of course! That's what the Mandarin is!
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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    I just have problems considering anyone being mad because
    who actually gives a shit about the Mandarin?
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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Chareth Cutestory Lawyer of the SeaRegistered User regular
    C for Catwoman!
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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Puts his name on his helicoptor.. ..so everyone knows it's his.Registered User regular
    Furu wrote: »
    I just have problems considering anyone being mad because
    who actually gives a shit about the Mandarin?
    The same people who gave a shit about Iron Man prior to 2008.
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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    I mean normally I'm all for keeping things close to the source material and spirit of the character but
    when the character is an inherently racist concept who hasn't really had a noteworthy storyline in decades
    I think wiggle room is warrented
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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Furu wrote: »
    I just have problems considering anyone being mad because
    who actually gives a shit about the Mandarin?

    Also
    The Mandarin is in no way a "toned-down" version of the comics Mandarin. We were never promised the comics Mandarin. We were promised a crazy ex-CIA Ultimate Terrorist Dark Knight Joker-esc guy.

    The guy we were promised it seemed to me was LESS like comic Mandarin then Guy Pierce anyway.
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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Chareth Cutestory Lawyer of the SeaRegistered User regular
    Undead Scottsman wrote: »
    Furu wrote: »
    I just have problems considering anyone being mad because
    who actually gives a shit about the Mandarin?
    The same people who gave a shit about Iron Man prior to 2008.

    So basically a number that's not at all in correlation with the amount of people bitching?

    One of my friends has been doing some of this same bitching recently on Facebook

    I'm like "You have never picked up a fucking comic book in your life, you have expressed me to that you believe Iron Man is the best because 'Robert Downey, Jr. is sooo hot,' quit fucking babbling and jumping on the bandwagon Jesus H. Fuck"
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  • MarthMarth Sad Schaub Registered User regular
    I'm gonna spoil this just in case.
    This feels a lot like the griping about the Mass Effect 3 ending. The game was still really good, but people were very upset that they were promised something by the developers, and they didn't get what was promised. I felt more... "ugh" than anything, but ultimately I gave them my money and that was that.

    Kind of the same thing here. It doesn't matter how they market the movie. As long as that marketing gets your butt in the seat, it doesn't matter.
  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Marth wrote: »
    I'm gonna spoil this just in case.
    This feels a lot like the griping about the Mass Effect 3 ending. The game was still really good, but people were very upset that they were promised something by the developers, and they didn't get what was promised. I felt more... "ugh" than anything, but ultimately I gave them my money and that was that.

    Kind of the same thing here. It doesn't matter how they market the movie. As long as that marketing gets your butt in the seat, it doesn't matter.

    Disagree
    The Advertising for this movie did it a lot of favors. It was probably the best advertising I've ever seen in a movie.
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  • MarthMarth Sad Schaub Registered User regular
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    Marth wrote: »
    I'm gonna spoil this just in case.
    This feels a lot like the griping about the Mass Effect 3 ending. The game was still really good, but people were very upset that they were promised something by the developers, and they didn't get what was promised. I felt more... "ugh" than anything, but ultimately I gave them my money and that was that.

    Kind of the same thing here. It doesn't matter how they market the movie. As long as that marketing gets your butt in the seat, it doesn't matter.

    Disagree
    The Advertising for this movie did it a lot of favors. It was probably the best advertising I've ever seen in a movie.
    It still marketed Ben Kingsley as the Mandarin, though. Which wasn't actually how the movie played out.

    Wait what side of this argument am I on again?
  • glithertglithert The richest duck in the world Duckburg, CalisotaRegistered User regular
    Centipede Damascus wrote: »
    glithert wrote: »
    WheatBun01 wrote: »
    I've had a single friend rant incessantly about how the ruined "canon" I guess with the big twist, which is pretty frustrating. I just consider Marvel Movieverse and Comicverse their own thing, I didn't really feel like they were "shitting on canon" Or anything like that.

    The marvel cinematic universe is totally an alternate earth in the marvel multiverse. I think it's earth-19999 or some number similar to that.

    Yup!

    The Marvel Handbook is very thorough with mapping out their alternate dimensions.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_(Marvel_Comics)
    Earth-10005 - The X-Men film series, as given by the Marvel Comics Database.
    Earth-96283 - The Spider-Man film series, as given by the Marvel Comics Database. This does not include the 2012 reboot.
    Earth-121698 - The Fantastic Four film series, as given by the Marvel Comics Database.
    Earth-199999 - The Marvel Cinematic Universe, covering the Iron Man film series, Thor, The Incredible Hulk (2008), Captain America and the Avengers. Anything spinning off of or relating to the Avengers is likely to be within this universe. The number is given in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe.
    Earth-120703 - The Amazing Spider-Man film, and its sequels, as given by the Marvel Comics Database.

    Damnit! Off by one 9!

    Anyway, regarding Fe Man 3
    Is Guy Pearce really all that different from the comic book Mandarin? Besides, even if he isn't the Trevor Slattery scene was so awesome I don't care. "They promised to get you off the drugs?" "No, they promised to give me more of them!"
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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Marth wrote: »
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    Marth wrote: »
    I'm gonna spoil this just in case.
    This feels a lot like the griping about the Mass Effect 3 ending. The game was still really good, but people were very upset that they were promised something by the developers, and they didn't get what was promised. I felt more... "ugh" than anything, but ultimately I gave them my money and that was that.

    Kind of the same thing here. It doesn't matter how they market the movie. As long as that marketing gets your butt in the seat, it doesn't matter.

    Disagree
    The Advertising for this movie did it a lot of favors. It was probably the best advertising I've ever seen in a movie.
    It still marketed Ben Kingsley as the Mandarin, though. Which wasn't actually how the movie played out.

    Wait what side of this argument am I on again?

    Which is what made it great!
    They used their ads to help keep their secrets and prepare you for the way the movie would play out.

    Instead of spoiling the good parts of the movie to get you to come the advertising prepares you for the movie and still got peoples ass in seat.
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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Puts his name on his helicoptor.. ..so everyone knows it's his.Registered User regular
    Furu wrote: »
    I mean normally I'm all for keeping things close to the source material and spirit of the character but
    when the character is an inherently racist concept who hasn't really had a noteworthy storyline in decades
    I think wiggle room is warrented
    People keep bringing this up, but he hasn't been a racist character in ages, and he's been in several stories recently. He's also the biggest foe in the Iron Man rogue gallery.

    I wonder if people will complain about a Luke Cage movie because he came out of the Blacksploitation fad originally?
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    Furu wrote: »
    I just have problems considering anyone being mad because
    who actually gives a shit about the Mandarin?

    Also
    The Mandarin is in no way a "toned-down" version of the comics Mandarin. We were never promised the comics Mandarin. We were promised a crazy ex-CIA Ultimate Terrorist Dark Knight Joker-esc guy.

    The guy we were promised it seemed to me was LESS like comic Mandarin then Guy Pierce anyway.
    By toned down, I meant no alien tech rings. He was still going to be a mysterious criminal mastermind from the underground of a far-off nation.
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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus The machine is broken. The universe is broken.Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Furu wrote: »
    I mean normally I'm all for keeping things close to the source material and spirit of the character but
    when the character is an inherently racist concept who hasn't really had a noteworthy storyline in decades
    I think wiggle room is warrented
    The Mandarin isn't a racist concept, unless the concept of having any villain character be not white is inherently racist. He was portrayed in a fairly racist fashion fifty years ago, sure, but he's been a great villain since at least the 80s.
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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    He still is that Scottsman!

    Except for "from a far off nations" but again the Mandarin was being advertised as "ex-CIA" so
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  • MarthMarth Sad Schaub Registered User regular
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    Marth wrote: »
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    Marth wrote: »
    I'm gonna spoil this just in case.
    This feels a lot like the griping about the Mass Effect 3 ending. The game was still really good, but people were very upset that they were promised something by the developers, and they didn't get what was promised. I felt more... "ugh" than anything, but ultimately I gave them my money and that was that.

    Kind of the same thing here. It doesn't matter how they market the movie. As long as that marketing gets your butt in the seat, it doesn't matter.

    Disagree
    The Advertising for this movie did it a lot of favors. It was probably the best advertising I've ever seen in a movie.
    It still marketed Ben Kingsley as the Mandarin, though. Which wasn't actually how the movie played out.

    Wait what side of this argument am I on again?

    Which is what made it great!
    They used their ads to help keep their secrets and prepare you for the way the movie would play out.

    Instead of spoiling the good parts of the movie to get you to come the advertising prepares you for the movie and still got peoples ass in seat.

    We're actually on the same side, here.
  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Puts his name on his helicoptor.. ..so everyone knows it's his.Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    He still is that Scottsman!

    Except for "from a far off nations" but again the Mandarin was being advertised as "ex-CIA" so
    What? No he isn't.. He's a rich white American businessman. He's not mysterious, he's a nerd with a grudge. We see that in the first 10 minutes of the movie!

    And I apparently missed the Kingsley being called ex-CIA.. Certainly wasn't mentioned in the trailers.
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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Undead Scottsman wrote: »
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    He still is that Scottsman!

    Except for "from a far off nations" but again the Mandarin was being advertised as "ex-CIA" so
    What? No he isn't.. He's a rich white American businessman. Which, while being a legitimate cliche in itself, is really not the Mandarin.

    And I apparently missed the Kingsley being called ex-CIA.. Certainly wasn't mentioned in the trailers.
    Its part of Kingsly's personal description of the character.

    Lets look at the description of what you wanted from the Mandarin.

    "mysterious criminal mastermind from the underground of a far-off nation"

    Mysterious. Check.

    Criminal. Check.

    Mastermind. CHeck.
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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Puts his name on his helicoptor.. ..so everyone knows it's his.Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    Undead Scottsman wrote: »
    nightmarenny wrote: »
    He still is that Scottsman!

    Except for "from a far off nations" but again the Mandarin was being advertised as "ex-CIA" so
    What? No he isn't.. He's a rich white American businessman. Which, while being a legitimate cliche in itself, is really not the Mandarin.

    And I apparently missed the Kingsley being called ex-CIA.. Certainly wasn't mentioned in the trailers.
    Its part of Kingsly's personal description of the character.

    Lets look at the description of what you wanted from the Mandarin.

    "mysterious criminal mastermind from the underground of a far-off nation"

    Mysterious. Check.

    Criminal. Check.

    Mastermind. CHeck.
    He's not mysterious. We find out 90% of Killian in the first 10 minutes. He's a nerd with a grudge.

    Also, later we find out he wants to make himself richer. MYSTERIOUS.

    So yeah, he's a mastermind who is also a criminal. So was Stane. That doesn't make them the Mandarin.

    And neither of them were really underground. They used the underground, but they were not a part of it themselves. While the Mandarin has run businesses in his time, he's also spent much of his time being a force outside of the system.
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  • RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    Obadiah Stane didn't pull a baby out of a secret compartment to use as leverage when he fought Iron Man. That means he's not the Ironmonger.
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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Hiding your criminal activities by creating a false persona and using an actor to potray that is mysterious.

    No it isn't the Mandarin from the comics but neither was Kingsly is my point. Heck he's even closer.

    Neither is the comic Mandarin but eh.

    Also I bet GUy Pierce shows up again I'm still betting on seeing the rings.
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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Undead Scottsman wrote: »
    Furu wrote: »
    I just have problems considering anyone being mad because
    who actually gives a shit about the Mandarin?
    The same people who gave a shit about Iron Man prior to 2008.

    I doubt it
  • Muddy WaterMuddy Water Quiet Batperson Registered User regular
    Now I'm glad I've never read Iron Man comics.

    I can imagine being disappointed if I'd really been looking forward to the Mandarin. Ignorance is bliss!

    Seriously though, it is impressive as hell that they managed to pull off a twist like that considering the mammoth marketing juggernaut that leads up to such tentpole films.
  • existexist Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Have we completely ruled out the possibility that Killian was actually supposed to be Thanos? It would make sense.
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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Puts his name on his helicoptor.. ..so everyone knows it's his.Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Radius wrote: »
    Obadiah Stane didn't pull a baby out of a secret compartment to use as leverage when he fought Iron Man. That means he's not the Ironmonger.
    Yes, because that's equivalent and totally what I was talking about. :P

    nightmarenny wrote: »
    Hiding your criminal activities by creating a false persona and using an actor to potray that is mysterious.
    That's not what I meant when I said mysterious. I'm talking more about specific motivations and origins. What makes the character tick and all that. Killian is an open book in that regard. One that's read to us in the first 10 minutes.
    No it isn't the Mandarin from the comics but neither was Kingsly is my point. Heck he's even closer.

    Neither is the comic Mandarin but eh.

    Also I bet GUy Pierce shows up again I'm still betting on seeing the rings.
    I'd say the originally advertised Mandarin is way closer than Aldrich Killian. Even with the "EX-CIA" bit. But I think we're at the agreeing to disagree point here.

    Anywho, given the propensity of the Iron Man movies to kill off the antagonists, I'd be surprised to see Killian again. Normally I get mad about this stuff, but if we're really going with the "Killian is the Mandarin" business, I'd be fine with leaving him dead and moving on.
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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    exist wrote: »
    Have we completely ruled out the possibility that Killian was actually supposed to be Thanos? It would make sense.
    Joking perhaps?
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  • RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    exist wrote: »
    Have we completely ruled out the possibility that Killian was actually supposed to be Thanos? It would make sense.
    He can't be Thanos, because he's MODOK.
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  • Renegade WolfRenegade Wolf Registered User regular
    I hadn't watched any trailers before I watched the movie or read any of the comics so I had literally zero knowledge about the mandarin until I watched the movie
    and I ended up enjoying the twist but I also didn't really care that much because it was like 2am and I was pretty tired

    midnight screenings are kind of dumb
  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Puts his name on his helicoptor.. ..so everyone knows it's his.Registered User regular
    Radius wrote: »
    exist wrote: »
    Have we completely ruled out the possibility that Killian was actually supposed to be Thanos? It would make sense.
    He can't be Thanos, because he's MODOK.
    He can't be MODOK because he'd just regenerate into Aldrich Killian again, wouldn't he?

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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    And now a reminder that this is a thing
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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    I would actually go so far to say that Iron Man 3's bad guy was the best bad guy we've seen in a Marvel movie and yes that includes Loki
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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    I would actually go so far to say that Iron Man 3's bad guy was the best bad guy we've seen in a Marvel movie and yes that includes Loki

    I feel comfortable making it at least a tie.
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  • BlankzillaBlankzilla We were the best, Richard No matter what they sayRegistered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    I would actually go so far to say that Iron Man 3's bad guy was the best bad guy we've seen in a Marvel movie and yes that includes Loki
    Yeah, honestly.

    Loki was super entertaining but IM3's villain actually has a super well thought out and believable plan.
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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    He was also an honest to goodness all-out super-villain

    and I loved that massively
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  • GatsbyGatsby Last night I had a dream about you In this dream I'm dancing right beside youRegistered User regular
    He certainly didn't lack conviction
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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Puts his name on his helicoptor.. ..so everyone knows it's his.Registered User regular
    Yeah, despite my misgivings about a particular topic, I enjoyed the movie and all the characters. It won me over in the end due to just being awesome and well done.
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  • RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Undead Scottsman wrote: »
    Radius wrote: »
    exist wrote: »
    Have we completely ruled out the possibility that Killian was actually supposed to be Thanos? It would make sense.
    He can't be Thanos, because he's MODOK.
    He can't be MODOK because he'd just regenerate into Aldrich Killian again, wouldn't he?
    He's still using the imperfect Extremis, it tries, but it just gives him little arms and legs and a giant head.
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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Chareth Cutestory Lawyer of the SeaRegistered User regular
    I just watched Iron Man 1

    And 2 earlier today, and 3 a couple days ago, so I did a weird reverse order but whatever

    I feel pretty comfortable saying that Iron Man 3 is my favorite Marvel movie

    And maybe

    Possibly

    Even more than I like The Dark Knight Rises

    I need to see it again. There's just not a thing about it I didn't love
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