[Iron Man 3] is out now! Man of Steel coming soon.

UnbreakableVow

When that one henchmen asked the guy if he could regulate, this started going through my head

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1plPyJdXKIY

Which of course always puts me in a good mood

Tox

Re: the Mandarin

I think the only fair critique isn't that they should have used a chinese actor or something, because the way I see it, they didn't actually use the character of the Mandarin. They used the name, and they borrowed from the character concept, but that wasn't really the Mandarin from the comics in any major way. And while you're being critical of that, I think it's fair to point out that using the character name was really just to help feed the set up for the big reveal.

Also on that reveal, I haven't seen a lot of stuff with Kingsley in it, so I was literally just like, "Wait why does the Mandarin sound like Russell Brand?

Munkus Beaver

Adus wrote: »

Saw it yesterday. Loved it.

Guy Pearce is awesome. I was worried he'd have a small role and would be under-utilized in favor of The Mandarin, so the way it turned out was very satisfying.

Ben Kingsley killed it. When they first started showing all the terrorist stuff, I felt it really heavy clumsy and not very creative. Maybe that should have been my first clue since these movies are usually a bit smarter than that. I still didn't expect the reveal at all, though, and it was hilarious.

I was worried at first when Tony started teaming up with the kid, but each time I was about to roll my eyes at it, they turn it around. Like when the kid was going on about his dad leaving, and having Tony coldly reply "It happens. Dad's leave. Don't have to be a pussy about it." So good. Then when I was afraid the kid was gonna tag along with him, and tries to guilt trip, and Tony just throws it back in his face. "You're cold? Know how I can tell? Cause we're connected!" as he drives off.

Nice to see Pepper kick some ass. Gwenyth Paltrow looks really good still.

It was worth a shot.

Goatmon

Marth wrote: »

Centipede Damascus wrote: »

Iron Man 2 is worth watching for Sam Rockwell alone

Sam Rockwell was so good as the confident jerk.

That character type is probably my favorite in storytelling.

I could not stand him

The entire time he was around I kept thinking "How does this manchild own his own fucking company?"

I don't like when a film includes a villain character with zero redeeming qualities whatsoever. They may as well just have a cardboard cutout that has "PETTY BAD GUY" written on it in the scene instead and it'd have about the same affect on me.

Nocren

Tox wrote: »

Iron Man 2 is still good.

It's just in extremely good company, which makes it look worse by comparison.

Kinda like Ghostbusters.

I've seen 2 more often then 1 thanks to Comedy Central airing it fairly frequently and on it's own... it's good.

But next to the first one? Not so much.

Anyway, gonna see IM3 again tomorrow with my friends. Hope they'll all enjoy it.

Grey Ghost

Goatmon wrote: »

Marth wrote: »

Centipede Damascus wrote: »

Iron Man 2 is worth watching for Sam Rockwell alone

Sam Rockwell was so good as the confident jerk.

That character type is probably my favorite in storytelling.

I could not stand him

The entire time he was around I kept thinking "How does this manchild own his own fucking company?"

I don't like when a film includes a villain character with zero redeeming qualities whatsoever. They may as well just have a cardboard cutout that has "PETTY BAD GUY" written on it in the scene instead and it'd have about the same affect on me.

I don't know, man
have you seen some of the actual CEOs this world has to offer?

Grey Ghost

One of my film buddies, whose opinions I usually respect, really hated this, which confuses and saddens me
Words he used include lazy, nonsensical, and tasteless

WheatBun01

I've had a single friend rant incessantly about how the ruined "canon" I guess with the big twist, which is pretty frustrating. I just consider Marvel Movieverse and Comicverse their own thing, I didn't really feel like they were "shitting on canon" Or anything like that.

Centipede Damascus

Grey Ghost wrote: »

One of my film buddies, whose opinions I usually respect, really hated this, which confuses and saddens me
Words he used include lazy, nonsensical, and tasteless

..."tasteless"?

TrippyJing

Grey Ghost

Centipede Damascus wrote: »

Grey Ghost wrote: »

One of my film buddies, whose opinions I usually respect, really hated this, which confuses and saddens me
Words he used include lazy, nonsensical, and tasteless

..."tasteless"?

That's what I just asked him about and he said that (spoilers I guess)

he was uncomfortable with the use of war vets and their associated physical disabilities, PTSD and high suicide rates as throwaway plot devices in a comic book movie

which I can totally understand being uncomfortable with

Gatsby

Grey Ghost wrote: »

Centipede Damascus wrote: »

Grey Ghost wrote: »

One of my film buddies, whose opinions I usually respect, really hated this, which confuses and saddens me
Words he used include lazy, nonsensical, and tasteless

..."tasteless"?

That's what I just asked him about and he said that (spoilers I guess)

he was uncomfortable with the use of war vets and their associated physical disabilities, PTSD and high suicide rates as throwaway plot devices in a comic book movie

which I can totally understand being uncomfortable with

I can understand that as well, personally I saw it more as

in regards to the war vets, these poor people with physical disabilities being taken advantage of especially in regards to how badly Extremist seems to affect your psyche. I certainly made me hate Killian more after seeing the video interviews with them like Brandt and how much they were changed and altered because of one man's greed.

Tox

Gatsby wrote: »

Grey Ghost wrote: »

Centipede Damascus wrote: »

Grey Ghost wrote: »

One of my film buddies, whose opinions I usually respect, really hated this, which confuses and saddens me
Words he used include lazy, nonsensical, and tasteless

..."tasteless"?

That's what I just asked him about and he said that (spoilers I guess)

he was uncomfortable with the use of war vets and their associated physical disabilities, PTSD and high suicide rates as throwaway plot devices in a comic book movie

which I can totally understand being uncomfortable with

I can understand that as well, personally I saw it more as

in regards to the war vets, these poor people with physical disabilities being taken advantage of especially in regards to how badly Extremist seems to affect your psyche. I certainly made me hate Killian more after seeing the video interviews with them like Brandt and how much they were changed and altered because of one man's greed.

Also

The end with Pepper kind of reinforces that. She even lampshades it by stopping and commenting how out of character for her that was. That's how quickly it can take affect. Add in to that (I think it was James Badge Dale that said in an interview) the fact that you're basically immortal, so that erodes on your soul a bit as well. Because now there's basically no consequences.

Centipede Damascus

WheatBun01 wrote: »

I've had a single friend rant incessantly about how the ruined "canon" I guess with the big twist, which is pretty frustrating. I just consider Marvel Movieverse and Comicverse their own thing, I didn't really feel like they were "shitting on canon" Or anything like that.

the movieverse and comicverse are definitely pretty different

but at the same time, it's kind of like when Bane showed up in Batman & Robin as a mindless slave for Poison Ivy. it's kind of a huge change, and I can understand why people might be irritated about it... but in the end, it was still a good movie.

Tox

Centipede Damascus wrote: »

WheatBun01 wrote: »

I've had a single friend rant incessantly about how the ruined "canon" I guess with the big twist, which is pretty frustrating. I just consider Marvel Movieverse and Comicverse their own thing, I didn't really feel like they were "shitting on canon" Or anything like that.

the movieverse and comicverse are definitely pretty different

but at the same time, it's kind of like when Bane showed up in Batman & Robin as a mindless slave for Poison Ivy. it's kind of a huge change, and I can understand why people might be irritated about it... but in the end, it was still a good movie.

Again I think the takeaway from that should be

they didn't really use the character of the Mandarin. Just the name. Neither Killian nor Kingsley really resemble the Mandarin from the comics. Killian just used it as a generic "titlename" for a terrorist.

Marth

Could you guys imagine Chris Tucker as James Rhodes

just please think about how great that would be.

"Damn this suit is heavy!"
(as he's rocketing into the sky) "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH"
(fires a rocket) "DAMN!"

ThatDudeOverThere

bottom line they through out fidelity to the comics with positive results, something they really need to do from time to time with these movies

Tox

ThatDudeOverThere wrote: »

bottom line they through out fidelity to the comics with positive results, something they really need to do from time to time with these movies

Well and I really think it paid off, which is very, very good. The best result from taking this big of a risk is for it to pay off as well as it seems to be.

Munkus Beaver

This movie gets all the props for

Delivering unto us a 100% Saturday Morning villain with world domination plans that make perfect sense, are well thought out, and could frighteningly work in the real world.

Oh hey, military accident occurred...call it a terrorist attack, spurn the economy, and let's go bomb someone.

glithert

WheatBun01 wrote: »

I've had a single friend rant incessantly about how the ruined "canon" I guess with the big twist, which is pretty frustrating. I just consider Marvel Movieverse and Comicverse their own thing, I didn't really feel like they were "shitting on canon" Or anything like that.

The marvel cinematic universe is totally an alternate earth in the marvel multiverse. I think it's earth-19999 or some number similar to that.

Nocren

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

This movie gets all the props for

Delivering unto us a 100% Saturday Morning villain with world domination plans that make perfect sense, are well thought out, and could frighteningly work in the real world.

Oh hey, military accident occurred...call it a terrorist attack, spurn the economy, and let's go bomb someone.

That and...

Keeping the spoiler intact. I mean, really. That was just amazing.

UnbreakableVow

Isn't shitting all over "canon" the very essence of comic books?

Centipede Damascus

glithert wrote: »

WheatBun01 wrote: »

I've had a single friend rant incessantly about how the ruined "canon" I guess with the big twist, which is pretty frustrating. I just consider Marvel Movieverse and Comicverse their own thing, I didn't really feel like they were "shitting on canon" Or anything like that.

The marvel cinematic universe is totally an alternate earth in the marvel multiverse. I think it's earth-19999 or some number similar to that.

Yup!

The Marvel Handbook is very thorough with mapping out their alternate dimensions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_(Marvel_Comics)

Earth-10005 - The X-Men film series, as given by the Marvel Comics Database.
Earth-96283 - The Spider-Man film series, as given by the Marvel Comics Database. This does not include the 2012 reboot.
Earth-121698 - The Fantastic Four film series, as given by the Marvel Comics Database.
Earth-199999 - The Marvel Cinematic Universe, covering the Iron Man film series, Thor, The Incredible Hulk (2008), Captain America and the Avengers. Anything spinning off of or relating to the Avengers is likely to be within this universe. The number is given in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe.
Earth-120703 - The Amazing Spider-Man film, and its sequels, as given by the Marvel Comics Database.

UnbreakableVow

Where's Daredevil/Elektra

Centipede Damascus

That would be Earth-701306.

Blankzilla

Chris Pratt gettin swole for Starlord

Centipede Damascus

Ha, the Evil Dead universe is officially Earth-818793 in the Marvel Multiverse.

Grey Ghost

UnbreakableVow wrote: »

Where's Daredevil/Elektra

in the garbage where they belong

Undead Scottsman

Earth-5724: Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.E.I.L.D.
Earth-10005: X-Men Movies
Earth-26320: Blade Movies
Earth-58460: Man-Thing
Earth-58470: Howard the Duck
Earth-58627: Punisher 1989 Movie
Earth-58732: Punisher 2004 Movie
Earth-94000: Fantastic Four 1994 Movie
Earth-96173: Dr. Strange
Earth-96283: Raimi Spider-Man Movies
Earth-120703: Amazing Spider-Man
Earth-121347: Ghost Rider Movies
Earth-121698: Fantastic Four Movies
Earth-199999: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Earth-400005: Incredible Hulk TV Series & Made for TV Movies
Earth-400083: Hulk 2003
Earth-600001: Captain America 1944 Movie Serial
Earth-600043: Captain America 1979 Movies
Earth-697064: Captain America 1990 Movie
Earth-701306: Daredevil/Elektra Movies

Couldn't fine one for Punisher: War Zone, strangely

NeoToma

I talked a friend who only found this okay. He said the twist was telegraphed from the first scene, and this all just felt like mediorce excuse to set up for the next Avengers.

Now Superman that's a movie he's excited for.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan~
DC fans

Undead Scottsman

What the hell is this setting up for the next Avengers? Most people I've seen were surprised about how little this movie actually built towards anything upcoming.

UnbreakableVow

Grey Ghost wrote: »

UnbreakableVow wrote: »

Where's Daredevil/Elektra

in the garbage where they belong

Centipede Damascus

I want a comic story where somebody visits the Earth of Hasselhoff Nick Fury.

Blankzilla

What

that is incredibly dumb

Killian being all Extremis'd, yeah okay. But the Mandarin being an actor and Killian being the true mastermind? He saw that coming? Bulllllshit.

DHS

Not enough love for the guy who stole the Movie:

Random Guard:

Mandarin's Guard: [after Tony Stark incapacitates almost all Mandarin guards, the last one quickly surrenders] Don't shoot! Seriously, I don't even wanna work for them. They are so weird!

Munkus Beaver

Blankzilla wrote: »

What

that is incredibly dumb

Killian being all Extremis'd, yeah okay. But the Mandarin being an actor and Killian being the true mastermind? He saw that coming? Bulllllshit.

It's telegraphed from the "No direct eye contact, if you don't want your head blown off."

I mean, it's not the 'first scene of the movie' and it's not exactly obvious telegraphing, but there are little things.

Undead Scottsman

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

Blankzilla wrote: »

What

that is incredibly dumb

Killian being all Extremis'd, yeah okay. But the Mandarin being an actor and Killian being the true mastermind? He saw that coming? Bulllllshit.

It's telegraphed from the "No direct eye contact, if you don't want your head blown off."

I mean, it's not the 'first scene of the movie' and it's not exactly obvious telegraphing, but there are little things.

How the fuck is that telegraphing? There is no reason for anyone to assume anything out of that, other than the Mandarin is an asshole.

Munkus Beaver

Undead Scottsman wrote: »

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

Blankzilla wrote: »

What

that is incredibly dumb

Killian being all Extremis'd, yeah okay. But the Mandarin being an actor and Killian being the true mastermind? He saw that coming? Bulllllshit.

It's telegraphed from the "No direct eye contact, if you don't want your head blown off."

I mean, it's not the 'first scene of the movie' and it's not exactly obvious telegraphing, but there are little things.

How the fuck is that telegraphing? There is no reason for anyone to assume anything out of that, other than the Mandarin is an asshole.

I am not saying the line exactly right, but the way it's phrased in the movie and the general way Guy Pearce's character acted kinda said 'Actor.' I chuckled to myself thinking "Oh, like cause he's an actor on a stage" double entendre but hey, that's exactly how he meant it!

It's not impossible to guess once you see the sets. The dude hates America is being guided in by two skimpy girls, living in America, doing his speeches from a sound stage?

It was a well done way for hiding it for most people, but it's not impossible to figure it out. I didn't figure it out.

exist

i had it figured out around the third or fourth trailer that played before the movie started, personally

chiasaur11

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

Undead Scottsman wrote: »

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

Blankzilla wrote: »

What

that is incredibly dumb

Killian being all Extremis'd, yeah okay. But the Mandarin being an actor and Killian being the true mastermind? He saw that coming? Bulllllshit.

It's telegraphed from the "No direct eye contact, if you don't want your head blown off."

I mean, it's not the 'first scene of the movie' and it's not exactly obvious telegraphing, but there are little things.

How the fuck is that telegraphing? There is no reason for anyone to assume anything out of that, other than the Mandarin is an asshole.

I am not saying the line exactly right, but the way it's phrased in the movie and the general way Guy Pearce's character acted kinda said 'Actor.' I chuckled to myself thinking "Oh, like cause he's an actor on a stage" double entendre but hey, that's exactly how he meant it!

It's not impossible to guess once you see the sets. The dude hates America is being guided in by two skimpy girls, living in America, doing his speeches from a sound stage?

It was a well done way for hiding it for most people, but it's not impossible to figure it out. I didn't figure it out.

I heard from my mom that she guessed it.

Of course, this is useful information in finding the kind of person who does, she'd avoided all spoilers and promo information for the film, and didn't know the comics on the relevant points. So, a lot of the very effective smokescreen they were running? Completely missed.