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  • The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    operation clean sweep totally fits into tony's character. not just because of the character arc or the events of the movie, but because i can totally buy tony stark, as a person, having the ability to say "NOPE I CAN DO BETTER" and then immediately destroying all of his old armors in order to make for new ones. that is a very tony stark thing to do.


    also i will forever love that man-thing nod. let's have a young jennifer kale playing in a swamp next marvel movie.
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  • AntimatterAntimatter I remember touch I need something moreRegistered User regular
    The Lovely Bastard wrote: »
    operation clean sweep totally fits into tony's character. not just because of the character arc or the events of the movie, but because i can totally buy tony stark, as a person, having the ability to say "NOPE I CAN DO BETTER" and then immediately destroying all of his old armors in order to make for new ones. that is a very tony stark thing to do.


    also i will forever love that man-thing nod. let's have a young jennifer kale playing in a swamp next marvel movie.
    MIDNIGHT SONS PHASE 3
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  • The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    Antimatter wrote: »
    The Lovely Bastard wrote: »
    operation clean sweep totally fits into tony's character. not just because of the character arc or the events of the movie, but because i can totally buy tony stark, as a person, having the ability to say "NOPE I CAN DO BETTER" and then immediately destroying all of his old armors in order to make for new ones. that is a very tony stark thing to do.


    also i will forever love that man-thing nod. let's have a young jennifer kale playing in a swamp next marvel movie.
    MIDNIGHT SONS PHASE 3
    no.

    daydreamers, phase 3.

    crossover with big hero 6
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  • GoatmonGoatmon RAWR RAWR RAWRRegistered User regular
    edited May 2013
    -Tal wrote: »
    well then why does he say excuse me

    I mean I know you don't hear a sneeze or cough but I just assumed he's using his powers to do it in a way that's inaudible but still scratches the mic

    I was under the impression that it's someone interrupting them and Superman has to leave the interview to go save a burning house full of puppies somewhere across the city or something.
    Goatmon on
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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    LTM wrote: »
    SirEtchwarts wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Chincymcchilla wrote: »
    Xenogear_0001 wrote: »
    NOTE:
    "I am Iron Man, with or without my armor!" Nope, you're just Tony Stark without the armor, bud. Why the fuck would you let a woman convince you to destroy your work? Especially when it's single-handedly responsible for saving New York from nuclear obliteration? Seems a bit necessary to me.

    I... wow. I'm kind of not even sure where to start with that thought.

    I actually kind of agree with one part of that..
    Operation Clean Sweep seems to be a bit callous and shows complete disregard for all of his work. I don't feel like any real craftsman would do that to his creations.

    I don't want to touch the misogyny with an army of autonomous robots, though.

    The way I took that was
    The copious amount of armors was a coping mechanism. His initiating of Operation Clean Sweep was him recognizing that it was unhealthy to waste away his life building armor after armor, and instead focusing on what was important in his life (in this case, Pepper).

    The "I am Iron Man." at the end, coupled with his recovery of some of the lab equipment, makes me think that he's not going to give up actually being Iron Man or building suits. I think he just need a fresh start after spending the past few months doing nothing but making armors and dealing with his anxiety. Now when he makes a suit of armor or two, it won't be because he can't sleep at night.

    Right, no, that was what they were aiming for with that arc.

    I just didn't entirely like how it played out.
    The suits are humanized during the fight scene, and take on their own personalities. They saved his ass, then he just callously blows them all up.

    It'd be something if he was just scrapping a giant pile of non-functional armor, but it wasn't. I actually felt bad for the suits at that point.

    I get that he's a man, not just the occupant of a suit, but they are also more than just metal and programming and deserve better.
    well they don't have personalities, and they're all jarvis. they're just metal.
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  • GoatmonGoatmon RAWR RAWR RAWRRegistered User regular
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    The heat comes from the same place the Hulk's mass comes from.

    So, Z-Space.
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  • SeriouslySeriously Maarebas Registered User regular
    I saw this it was pretty good
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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    Langly wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    SirEtchwarts wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Chincymcchilla wrote: »
    Xenogear_0001 wrote: »
    NOTE:
    "I am Iron Man, with or without my armor!" Nope, you're just Tony Stark without the armor, bud. Why the fuck would you let a woman convince you to destroy your work? Especially when it's single-handedly responsible for saving New York from nuclear obliteration? Seems a bit necessary to me.

    I... wow. I'm kind of not even sure where to start with that thought.

    I actually kind of agree with one part of that..
    Operation Clean Sweep seems to be a bit callous and shows complete disregard for all of his work. I don't feel like any real craftsman would do that to his creations.

    I don't want to touch the misogyny with an army of autonomous robots, though.

    The way I took that was
    The copious amount of armors was a coping mechanism. His initiating of Operation Clean Sweep was him recognizing that it was unhealthy to waste away his life building armor after armor, and instead focusing on what was important in his life (in this case, Pepper).

    The "I am Iron Man." at the end, coupled with his recovery of some of the lab equipment, makes me think that he's not going to give up actually being Iron Man or building suits. I think he just need a fresh start after spending the past few months doing nothing but making armors and dealing with his anxiety. Now when he makes a suit of armor or two, it won't be because he can't sleep at night.

    Right, no, that was what they were aiming for with that arc.

    I just didn't entirely like how it played out.
    The suits are humanized during the fight scene, and take on their own personalities. They saved his ass, then he just callously blows them all up.

    It'd be something if he was just scrapping a giant pile of non-functional armor, but it wasn't. I actually felt bad for the suits at that point.

    I get that he's a man, not just the occupant of a suit, but they are also more than just metal and programming and deserve better.
    well they don't have personalities, and they're all jarvis. they're just metal.

    also
    tony has already been established as someone who doesn't put emotional ties to his creations. He threw away his first chest implant because "it's garbage now, I built a new one." He's sentimental about Dummy, but that's more of an extended joke than anything else. He moves forward, not back
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  • TurambarTurambar Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
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    Best live action Spidey suit yet?
    Pantsing the Rhino?
    Casually flipping something important looking while, most likely, sassing said Rhino?

    yeeeeeeeeessssssss
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  • JayKaosJayKaos Registered User regular
    Langly wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    SirEtchwarts wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Chincymcchilla wrote: »
    Xenogear_0001 wrote: »
    NOTE:
    "I am Iron Man, with or without my armor!" Nope, you're just Tony Stark without the armor, bud. Why the fuck would you let a woman convince you to destroy your work? Especially when it's single-handedly responsible for saving New York from nuclear obliteration? Seems a bit necessary to me.

    I... wow. I'm kind of not even sure where to start with that thought.

    I actually kind of agree with one part of that..
    Operation Clean Sweep seems to be a bit callous and shows complete disregard for all of his work. I don't feel like any real craftsman would do that to his creations.

    I don't want to touch the misogyny with an army of autonomous robots, though.

    The way I took that was
    The copious amount of armors was a coping mechanism. His initiating of Operation Clean Sweep was him recognizing that it was unhealthy to waste away his life building armor after armor, and instead focusing on what was important in his life (in this case, Pepper).

    The "I am Iron Man." at the end, coupled with his recovery of some of the lab equipment, makes me think that he's not going to give up actually being Iron Man or building suits. I think he just need a fresh start after spending the past few months doing nothing but making armors and dealing with his anxiety. Now when he makes a suit of armor or two, it won't be because he can't sleep at night.

    Right, no, that was what they were aiming for with that arc.

    I just didn't entirely like how it played out.
    The suits are humanized during the fight scene, and take on their own personalities. They saved his ass, then he just callously blows them all up.

    It'd be something if he was just scrapping a giant pile of non-functional armor, but it wasn't. I actually felt bad for the suits at that point.

    I get that he's a man, not just the occupant of a suit, but they are also more than just metal and programming and deserve better.
    well they don't have personalities, and they're all jarvis. they're just metal.

    also
    tony has already been established as someone who doesn't put emotional ties to his creations. He threw away his first chest implant because "it's garbage now, I built a new one." He's sentimental about Dummy, but that's more of an extended joke than anything else. He moves forward, not back

    Total tangent but you just reminded me of the saddest moment in the movie.
    In the midst of the helicopter attack, one of the robot arms (probably Dummy) reaching for another mostly broken one.
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  • The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    Xenogear_0001 wrote: »
    NOTE: Reposted from Movies thread--this seems more on topic here.

    I really, really wanted to like Iron Man 3. And while viewing it, I enjoyed it, so there is that. But upon reflection, there were some problems that emerged:
    -Why did Pepper not have her own armor? Shit, they did this in the comics so it's not without precedent. They even get her in Tony's at one point! I think that would have been a much better direction to take things in.

    -Tony's armor(s) seem(s) to switch back and forth between being made of glass and metal. And the ending? He couldn't get out of each suit fast enough. No consistency. And then Iron Patriot was giving the baddies all that trouble when they were trying to breach it. It almost felt like, when the suit was actually there (real prop) it was solid seeming, but as soon as it switched to CG, it became super fragile again. Just, ugh.

    -So... he had all those suits down in his basement the whole time? I guess they were still being assembled or something, though? That whole thing was super fast and loose. Felt too obviously like a Deus Ex Machina moment and rubbed me the wrong way.

    -Now Tony's remote controlling his suits? That's just... disappointing. And defeats the premise of Iron Man.

    -The panic attacks were not written well. I just didn't buy them.

    -Dat kid. Is he comic relief or is he someone we should be sympathizing with? Pick one. I mean, the kid did fine. Tony's banter with him struck the wrong chord, though. It wasn't cute--Tony was just being a douchebag, and not the kind that you like either.

    -That brings me to my next point: Tony felt schizophrenic in this one. Just... not as cohesive, character-wise. I can't quite put my finger on it. And he came across as more asshole-ish this time around--like, a little too much in that direction for my tastes.

    -So... when did the bad guys get remote control over the Iron Patriot? Isn't that the kind of system Tony had to design his suit from the ground up to implement? And isn't the Iron Patriot just a re-painted War Machine (old tech)? It seems like putting the President into War Machine would be the kind of plan that might backfire. And yet it didn't.

    -Pepper has Extremis! Cool beans! Oh, wait, that's a problem or something, so mumble, mumble she's better now!

    -That pesky shard of metal near my heart? Hell, let's just get it out of there, nbd! Boy, I wonder why I never did this in the first place!

    -"I am Iron Man, with or without my armor!" Nope, you're just Tony Stark without the armor, bud. Why the fuck would you let a woman convince you to destroy your work? Especially when it's single-handedly responsible for saving New York from nuclear obliteration? Seems a bit necessary to me.

    I guess I had more problems with it than I realized.

    no.
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  • AntimatterAntimatter I remember touch I need something moreRegistered User regular
    The Lovely Bastard wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    The Lovely Bastard wrote: »
    operation clean sweep totally fits into tony's character. not just because of the character arc or the events of the movie, but because i can totally buy tony stark, as a person, having the ability to say "NOPE I CAN DO BETTER" and then immediately destroying all of his old armors in order to make for new ones. that is a very tony stark thing to do.


    also i will forever love that man-thing nod. let's have a young jennifer kale playing in a swamp next marvel movie.
    MIDNIGHT SONS PHASE 3
    no.

    daydreamers, phase 3.

    crossover with big hero 6
    franklin richards is tied up with Fox YOUR IDEA IS BUSTED
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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    JayKaos wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    SirEtchwarts wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Chincymcchilla wrote: »
    Xenogear_0001 wrote: »
    NOTE:
    "I am Iron Man, with or without my armor!" Nope, you're just Tony Stark without the armor, bud. Why the fuck would you let a woman convince you to destroy your work? Especially when it's single-handedly responsible for saving New York from nuclear obliteration? Seems a bit necessary to me.

    I... wow. I'm kind of not even sure where to start with that thought.

    I actually kind of agree with one part of that..
    Operation Clean Sweep seems to be a bit callous and shows complete disregard for all of his work. I don't feel like any real craftsman would do that to his creations.

    I don't want to touch the misogyny with an army of autonomous robots, though.

    The way I took that was
    The copious amount of armors was a coping mechanism. His initiating of Operation Clean Sweep was him recognizing that it was unhealthy to waste away his life building armor after armor, and instead focusing on what was important in his life (in this case, Pepper).

    The "I am Iron Man." at the end, coupled with his recovery of some of the lab equipment, makes me think that he's not going to give up actually being Iron Man or building suits. I think he just need a fresh start after spending the past few months doing nothing but making armors and dealing with his anxiety. Now when he makes a suit of armor or two, it won't be because he can't sleep at night.

    Right, no, that was what they were aiming for with that arc.

    I just didn't entirely like how it played out.
    The suits are humanized during the fight scene, and take on their own personalities. They saved his ass, then he just callously blows them all up.

    It'd be something if he was just scrapping a giant pile of non-functional armor, but it wasn't. I actually felt bad for the suits at that point.

    I get that he's a man, not just the occupant of a suit, but they are also more than just metal and programming and deserve better.
    well they don't have personalities, and they're all jarvis. they're just metal.

    also
    tony has already been established as someone who doesn't put emotional ties to his creations. He threw away his first chest implant because "it's garbage now, I built a new one." He's sentimental about Dummy, but that's more of an extended joke than anything else. He moves forward, not back

    Total tangent but you just reminded me of the saddest moment in the movie.
    In the midst of the helicopter attack, one of the robot arms (probably Dummy) reaching for another mostly broken one.
    he gets recovered, at least!
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  • SirEtchwartsSirEtchwarts Edward Kenway's yer man. Arg, Swashbuckle, Avast, etc.Registered User regular
    JayKaos wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    SirEtchwarts wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Chincymcchilla wrote: »
    Xenogear_0001 wrote: »
    NOTE:
    "I am Iron Man, with or without my armor!" Nope, you're just Tony Stark without the armor, bud. Why the fuck would you let a woman convince you to destroy your work? Especially when it's single-handedly responsible for saving New York from nuclear obliteration? Seems a bit necessary to me.

    I... wow. I'm kind of not even sure where to start with that thought.

    I actually kind of agree with one part of that..
    Operation Clean Sweep seems to be a bit callous and shows complete disregard for all of his work. I don't feel like any real craftsman would do that to his creations.

    I don't want to touch the misogyny with an army of autonomous robots, though.

    The way I took that was
    The copious amount of armors was a coping mechanism. His initiating of Operation Clean Sweep was him recognizing that it was unhealthy to waste away his life building armor after armor, and instead focusing on what was important in his life (in this case, Pepper).

    The "I am Iron Man." at the end, coupled with his recovery of some of the lab equipment, makes me think that he's not going to give up actually being Iron Man or building suits. I think he just need a fresh start after spending the past few months doing nothing but making armors and dealing with his anxiety. Now when he makes a suit of armor or two, it won't be because he can't sleep at night.

    Right, no, that was what they were aiming for with that arc.

    I just didn't entirely like how it played out.
    The suits are humanized during the fight scene, and take on their own personalities. They saved his ass, then he just callously blows them all up.

    It'd be something if he was just scrapping a giant pile of non-functional armor, but it wasn't. I actually felt bad for the suits at that point.

    I get that he's a man, not just the occupant of a suit, but they are also more than just metal and programming and deserve better.
    well they don't have personalities, and they're all jarvis. they're just metal.

    also
    tony has already been established as someone who doesn't put emotional ties to his creations. He threw away his first chest implant because "it's garbage now, I built a new one." He's sentimental about Dummy, but that's more of an extended joke than anything else. He moves forward, not back

    Total tangent but you just reminded me of the saddest moment in the movie.
    In the midst of the helicopter attack, one of the robot arms (probably Dummy) reaching for another mostly broken one.
    I'm glad someone else was as broken up over that as I was.
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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    JayKaos wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    SirEtchwarts wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Chincymcchilla wrote: »
    Xenogear_0001 wrote: »
    NOTE:
    "I am Iron Man, with or without my armor!" Nope, you're just Tony Stark without the armor, bud. Why the fuck would you let a woman convince you to destroy your work? Especially when it's single-handedly responsible for saving New York from nuclear obliteration? Seems a bit necessary to me.

    I... wow. I'm kind of not even sure where to start with that thought.

    I actually kind of agree with one part of that..
    Operation Clean Sweep seems to be a bit callous and shows complete disregard for all of his work. I don't feel like any real craftsman would do that to his creations.

    I don't want to touch the misogyny with an army of autonomous robots, though.

    The way I took that was
    The copious amount of armors was a coping mechanism. His initiating of Operation Clean Sweep was him recognizing that it was unhealthy to waste away his life building armor after armor, and instead focusing on what was important in his life (in this case, Pepper).

    The "I am Iron Man." at the end, coupled with his recovery of some of the lab equipment, makes me think that he's not going to give up actually being Iron Man or building suits. I think he just need a fresh start after spending the past few months doing nothing but making armors and dealing with his anxiety. Now when he makes a suit of armor or two, it won't be because he can't sleep at night.

    Right, no, that was what they were aiming for with that arc.

    I just didn't entirely like how it played out.
    The suits are humanized during the fight scene, and take on their own personalities. They saved his ass, then he just callously blows them all up.

    It'd be something if he was just scrapping a giant pile of non-functional armor, but it wasn't. I actually felt bad for the suits at that point.

    I get that he's a man, not just the occupant of a suit, but they are also more than just metal and programming and deserve better.
    well they don't have personalities, and they're all jarvis. they're just metal.

    also
    tony has already been established as someone who doesn't put emotional ties to his creations. He threw away his first chest implant because "it's garbage now, I built a new one." He's sentimental about Dummy, but that's more of an extended joke than anything else. He moves forward, not back

    Total tangent but you just reminded me of the saddest moment in the movie.
    In the midst of the helicopter attack, one of the robot arms (probably Dummy) reaching for another mostly broken one.

    I teared up a bit when that happened. It was a bit of an unexpected reaction
  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Oh my. Best Geth awesome ever
  • The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    Antimatter wrote: »
    The Lovely Bastard wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    The Lovely Bastard wrote: »
    operation clean sweep totally fits into tony's character. not just because of the character arc or the events of the movie, but because i can totally buy tony stark, as a person, having the ability to say "NOPE I CAN DO BETTER" and then immediately destroying all of his old armors in order to make for new ones. that is a very tony stark thing to do.


    also i will forever love that man-thing nod. let's have a young jennifer kale playing in a swamp next marvel movie.
    MIDNIGHT SONS PHASE 3
    no.

    daydreamers, phase 3.

    crossover with big hero 6
    franklin richards is tied up with Fox YOUR IDEA IS BUSTED
    oh man you went the franklin richards route and not HEY LEECH WAS IN X-3 CAN'T BE DONE, DOGG. I'm kinda disappointed.
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  • DE?ADDE?AD Registered User regular
    DE?AD wrote: »
    Centipede Damascus wrote: »
    But seriously, I think we can all agree that what this movie really needed was a ten story tall alien dragon named Fin Fang Foom.
    Killian doesn't die. The explosion destroys the dock, and what's left of him plummets to the bottom of the bay. Trapped under water, buried under wreckage, his Extremis-enhanced regenerative abilities go haywire.

    Months later, a dozen miles away,he hauls himself out of the water. His pants (all he was wearing at the time) tattered but somehow still hanging to him. Sunbathers scream and run away, all of them seeming somehow... smaller.

    ...aaaand I just realized how well this would work as a set up for a Hulk solo movie.
    Two big green guys fighting + Banner having to talk down another scientist who accidentally turned himself into a monster.
  • SkeithSkeith Registered User regular
    Saw this yesterday. Ben Kingsley is the best.
  • JayKaosJayKaos Registered User regular
    Langly wrote: »
    JayKaos wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    SirEtchwarts wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Chincymcchilla wrote: »
    Xenogear_0001 wrote: »
    NOTE:
    "I am Iron Man, with or without my armor!" Nope, you're just Tony Stark without the armor, bud. Why the fuck would you let a woman convince you to destroy your work? Especially when it's single-handedly responsible for saving New York from nuclear obliteration? Seems a bit necessary to me.

    I... wow. I'm kind of not even sure where to start with that thought.

    I actually kind of agree with one part of that..
    Operation Clean Sweep seems to be a bit callous and shows complete disregard for all of his work. I don't feel like any real craftsman would do that to his creations.

    I don't want to touch the misogyny with an army of autonomous robots, though.

    The way I took that was
    The copious amount of armors was a coping mechanism. His initiating of Operation Clean Sweep was him recognizing that it was unhealthy to waste away his life building armor after armor, and instead focusing on what was important in his life (in this case, Pepper).

    The "I am Iron Man." at the end, coupled with his recovery of some of the lab equipment, makes me think that he's not going to give up actually being Iron Man or building suits. I think he just need a fresh start after spending the past few months doing nothing but making armors and dealing with his anxiety. Now when he makes a suit of armor or two, it won't be because he can't sleep at night.

    Right, no, that was what they were aiming for with that arc.

    I just didn't entirely like how it played out.
    The suits are humanized during the fight scene, and take on their own personalities. They saved his ass, then he just callously blows them all up.

    It'd be something if he was just scrapping a giant pile of non-functional armor, but it wasn't. I actually felt bad for the suits at that point.

    I get that he's a man, not just the occupant of a suit, but they are also more than just metal and programming and deserve better.
    well they don't have personalities, and they're all jarvis. they're just metal.

    also
    tony has already been established as someone who doesn't put emotional ties to his creations. He threw away his first chest implant because "it's garbage now, I built a new one." He's sentimental about Dummy, but that's more of an extended joke than anything else. He moves forward, not back

    Total tangent but you just reminded me of the saddest moment in the movie.
    In the midst of the helicopter attack, one of the robot arms (probably Dummy) reaching for another mostly broken one.
    he gets recovered, at least!
    They recovered Dummy but it looked like the other one was pretty fucked.

    ..Though I dunno if they're separate AIs or just all controlled by Jarvis or what.
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  • BlankzillaBlankzilla We were the best, Richard No matter what they sayRegistered User regular
    Only Tony's suits are operated by JARVIS. His helpers are simple robots.
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  • AntimatterAntimatter I remember touch I need something moreRegistered User regular
    The Lovely Bastard wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    The Lovely Bastard wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    The Lovely Bastard wrote: »
    operation clean sweep totally fits into tony's character. not just because of the character arc or the events of the movie, but because i can totally buy tony stark, as a person, having the ability to say "NOPE I CAN DO BETTER" and then immediately destroying all of his old armors in order to make for new ones. that is a very tony stark thing to do.


    also i will forever love that man-thing nod. let's have a young jennifer kale playing in a swamp next marvel movie.
    MIDNIGHT SONS PHASE 3
    no.

    daydreamers, phase 3.

    crossover with big hero 6
    franklin richards is tied up with Fox YOUR IDEA IS BUSTED
    oh man you went the franklin richards route and not HEY LEECH WAS IN X-3 CAN'T BE DONE, DOGG. I'm kinda disappointed.
    that'd involve remembering anything about X3, i purged all x-men related memories years ago

    what's a nathaniel grey
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  • SirEtchwartsSirEtchwarts Edward Kenway's yer man. Arg, Swashbuckle, Avast, etc.Registered User regular
    JayKaos wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    JayKaos wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    SirEtchwarts wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Chincymcchilla wrote: »
    Xenogear_0001 wrote: »
    NOTE:
    "I am Iron Man, with or without my armor!" Nope, you're just Tony Stark without the armor, bud. Why the fuck would you let a woman convince you to destroy your work? Especially when it's single-handedly responsible for saving New York from nuclear obliteration? Seems a bit necessary to me.

    I... wow. I'm kind of not even sure where to start with that thought.

    I actually kind of agree with one part of that..
    Operation Clean Sweep seems to be a bit callous and shows complete disregard for all of his work. I don't feel like any real craftsman would do that to his creations.

    I don't want to touch the misogyny with an army of autonomous robots, though.

    The way I took that was
    The copious amount of armors was a coping mechanism. His initiating of Operation Clean Sweep was him recognizing that it was unhealthy to waste away his life building armor after armor, and instead focusing on what was important in his life (in this case, Pepper).

    The "I am Iron Man." at the end, coupled with his recovery of some of the lab equipment, makes me think that he's not going to give up actually being Iron Man or building suits. I think he just need a fresh start after spending the past few months doing nothing but making armors and dealing with his anxiety. Now when he makes a suit of armor or two, it won't be because he can't sleep at night.

    Right, no, that was what they were aiming for with that arc.

    I just didn't entirely like how it played out.
    The suits are humanized during the fight scene, and take on their own personalities. They saved his ass, then he just callously blows them all up.

    It'd be something if he was just scrapping a giant pile of non-functional armor, but it wasn't. I actually felt bad for the suits at that point.

    I get that he's a man, not just the occupant of a suit, but they are also more than just metal and programming and deserve better.
    well they don't have personalities, and they're all jarvis. they're just metal.

    also
    tony has already been established as someone who doesn't put emotional ties to his creations. He threw away his first chest implant because "it's garbage now, I built a new one." He's sentimental about Dummy, but that's more of an extended joke than anything else. He moves forward, not back

    Total tangent but you just reminded me of the saddest moment in the movie.
    In the midst of the helicopter attack, one of the robot arms (probably Dummy) reaching for another mostly broken one.
    he gets recovered, at least!
    They recovered Dummy but it looked like the other one was pretty fucked.

    ..Though I dunno if they're separate AIs or just all controlled by Jarvis or what.
    In either case, even if Pepper had died I still would have mourned the loss of Dummy pretty hard.

    I had the same reaction with JARVIS went offline for a bit. I knew he'd be back, but still! Some sad stuff in this here superhero movie.
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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
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    Jarvis can probably instruct them but the arms are definitely autonomous
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  • Xenogear_0001Xenogear_0001 Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    A duck! wrote: »
    Xenogear_0001 wrote: »
    NOTE: Reposted from Movies thread--this seems more on topic here.

    I really, really wanted to like Iron Man 3. And while viewing it, I enjoyed it, so there is that. But upon reflection, there were some problems that emerged:
    -So... he had all those suits down in his basement the whole time? I guess they were still being assembled or something, though? That whole thing was super fast and loose. Felt too obviously like a Deus Ex Machina moment and rubbed me the wrong way.

    Did you chug some Robitussin before you saw this? There's a comedic moment about exactly this point early on. The number of his current armor wasn't just a random choice.
    Fair enough--but wasn't the tech to make them all remote-control something new? I guess perhaps that was the point of Jarvis' comment about the ship's coming in or something. Seemed weird that the underground portion was entirely unscathed after the assault, though.
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    Chincymcchilla wrote: »
    Xenogear_0001 wrote: »
    NOTE:
    "I am Iron Man, with or without my armor!" Nope, you're just Tony Stark without the armor, bud. Why the fuck would you let a woman convince you to destroy your work? Especially when it's single-handedly responsible for saving New York from nuclear obliteration? Seems a bit necessary to me.

    I... wow. I'm kind of not even sure where to start with that thought.

    You could start with him missing the point of Tony's character arc.

    or

    You could start with him coming off as sexist.
    Yeah, wasn't my intention to come off sexist. My bad. Really just should have said 'why would you let ANYONE(!) convince you to destroy your work?' I suppose the underlying message I took from this directive coming from Potts was that he was doing it for the relationship(/nookie). Which is a bad reason. I took it as her being selfish, and him being, well, a man. "Yeah, I know you don't like these armors and whatnot, so I'll just get rid of them. Nevermind the threats we may face in the future and my turning my back on the responsibility that I've been entrusted with because of these suits and the abilities they grant me. Everything will be just fine."

    And yeah, I got the point of Tony's character arc--I just didn't agree with it. The armor really does make him Iron Man. Granted, he's got the ability to build his super powers, so to speak, so you could argue his real super power is his hyper-intellect. I get that they wanted to underline his ingenuity and chutzpah. But even so, he's still a man without the suit, with all of the weaknesses that brings.

    Tying into that, the armors themselves seemed incredibly fragile all of a sudden. I just don't like that they decided that the way to take the story was that the armors themselves are inconsequential. No, they are not! They're why he's Iron Man in the first place!
    The Lovely Bastard wrote: »
    Xenogear_0001 wrote: »
    NOTE: Reposted from Movies thread--this seems more on topic here.

    I really, really wanted to like Iron Man 3. And while viewing it, I enjoyed it, so there is that. But upon reflection, there were some problems that emerged:
    <stuff>

    I guess I had more problems with it than I realized.

    no.

    I see your no, and I raise you another, bigger NO. I forgot this wasn't Debate & Discourse.
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  • The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    re-read that last sentence.

    re-read it a lot.

    then realize you did not understand iron man 3 at all
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  • AtomicTofuAtomicTofu Registered User regular
    Antimatter wrote: »
    The Lovely Bastard wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    The Lovely Bastard wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    The Lovely Bastard wrote: »
    operation clean sweep totally fits into tony's character. not just because of the character arc or the events of the movie, but because i can totally buy tony stark, as a person, having the ability to say "NOPE I CAN DO BETTER" and then immediately destroying all of his old armors in order to make for new ones. that is a very tony stark thing to do.


    also i will forever love that man-thing nod. let's have a young jennifer kale playing in a swamp next marvel movie.
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    crossover with big hero 6
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    that'd involve remembering anything about X3, i purged all x-men related memories years ago

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  • The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    Antimatter wrote: »
    The Lovely Bastard wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    The Lovely Bastard wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    The Lovely Bastard wrote: »
    operation clean sweep totally fits into tony's character. not just because of the character arc or the events of the movie, but because i can totally buy tony stark, as a person, having the ability to say "NOPE I CAN DO BETTER" and then immediately destroying all of his old armors in order to make for new ones. that is a very tony stark thing to do.


    also i will forever love that man-thing nod. let's have a young jennifer kale playing in a swamp next marvel movie.
    MIDNIGHT SONS PHASE 3
    no.

    daydreamers, phase 3.

    crossover with big hero 6
    franklin richards is tied up with Fox YOUR IDEA IS BUSTED
    oh man you went the franklin richards route and not HEY LEECH WAS IN X-3 CAN'T BE DONE, DOGG. I'm kinda disappointed.
    that'd involve remembering anything about X3, i purged all x-men related memories years ago

    what's a nathaniel grey
    you see it's not quite a mop and it's not quite a puppet but oh man
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  • Xenogear_0001Xenogear_0001 Registered User regular
    The Lovely Bastard wrote: »
    re-read that last sentence.

    re-read it a lot.

    then realize you did not understand iron man 3 at all

    Spell it out for me, then. What did I miss?

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    The whole film was about how he doesn't need the suit to be Iron Man
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  • Xenogear_0001Xenogear_0001 Registered User regular
    Exactly. I beg to differ. I think that's a silly thing to say. Otherwise, why did they make the story in the first two movies about him designing, wearing, and using the suit to achieve things he couldn't otherwise accomplish?

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    to be honest I felt the overall message of the movie was kind of eh

    I mean I really liked it

    but Tony does not interest me that much
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  • ToxTox I kill threads Let Piggy Chimp decideRegistered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    The whole film was about how he doesn't need the suit to be Iron Man

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus The machine is broken. The universe is broken.Registered User regular
    Xenogear_0001 wrote: »
    Exactly. I beg to differ. I think that's a silly thing to say. Otherwise, why did they make the story in the first two movies about him designing, wearing, and using the suit to achieve things he couldn't otherwise accomplish?

    because he is Iron Man
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  • BlankzillaBlankzilla We were the best, Richard No matter what they sayRegistered User regular
    Uh
    the whole point of the movie was Avengers fucked up Tony's entire worldview and he has PTSD and is forced to rethink his entire life.

    That is why it is different from the previous two.
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  • ToxTox I kill threads Let Piggy Chimp decideRegistered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Uh
    the whole point of the movie was Avengers fucked up Tony's entire worldview and he has PTSD and is forced to rethink his entire life.

    That is why it is different from the previous two.

    Right, and the fallout from that was
    He tried to reach Batman levels of preparedness buy obsessing about the suits and building prototype after prototype, just in case he ever needed a suit that could do that (although, in many cases, we never see what that is for most of the armors).

    By the end of it, he's realized that he doesn't need all those crazy armors, because he's Iron Man. He doesn't need to be crazy prepared, because he's crazy capable.

    ...or something.
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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Uh
    the whole point of the movie was Avengers fucked up Tony's entire worldview and he has PTSD and is forced to rethink his entire life.

    That is why it is different from the previous two.

    I will say about IM3
    That I thought afterward it seemed a little weird to single out the New york event and the wormhole in particular as being the thing that gives him PTSD.

    Like, the previous movies had given him just as much life threatening scenarios, namely being blown up, tortured and trapped in a prison cave, seeing a friend murdered, being attacked and almost killed by your family friend and partner, having plasma whips nearly kill you in a race car, etc.

    Like, I mean I guess the aliens present something different, but when it comes to traumatic, violent events, it just seems kind of all the same. He has almost died lots of times. I can buy him reacting the way he does, but to point to a single event seems strange.
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  • Xenogear_0001Xenogear_0001 Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Centipede Damascus wrote: »
    Xenogear_0001 wrote: »
    Exactly. I beg to differ. I think that's a silly thing to say. Otherwise, why did they make the story in the first two movies about him designing, wearing, and using the suit to achieve things he couldn't otherwise accomplish?

    because he is Iron Man

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    Look, Iron Man is who he becomes when he puts on the suit. If he were Iron Man when he wasn't in the suit, he wouldn't need the suit. Clearly, he needs the suit. Even in this movie! He couldn't have accomplished what he did without the suits. Hence why he was trying to get the one he had left working through much of the movie (nevermind the basement full of them). I take issue with this statement because it's stupid on its face.

    I get that he's trying to say something like 'I have the heart of a hero, I am Iron Man!'. That's great--he still needs the suits. Sorry.

    I suppose the silver lining is that he could always build more. And should.
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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
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