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[Diablo 3] Reports of the Economy's death were greatly exaggerated
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Casting moral judgment upon persons who exploit bugs in video games seems absurd, to me.
Because other people gaining gear efficiently somehow impacts his single player experience.
Unless Blizzard also changes the values of the maximum bids on the AH and changes the % cut that Blizzard takes, your solution just moves the AH closer to irrelevancy.
Not everyone who praised the crafting patterns thinks that the AH ruined the game and that there should be ONLY self-generated gear. There's a place for crafting and a place for a stable, common currency to use to trade with other players.
You have completely misjudged my sentiment. I didn't include those words for funsies. Obviously if you didn't know at the time what was going on you couldn't have known it was dirty gold. I'm mostly talking about people who feel like they "missed out" or are now smug about their profits. I'm not saying people should throw their new wealth away and repent, but simply realize that they were the direct beneficiary of cheaters.
In an online environment where your actions impact the gameplay of other people, damaging an economy through exploitation for the sake of personal profit is not cool. How is it absurd to judge people who place their personal benefit above everyone else, at everyone else's expense? I'm not balling my fists in rage here and in the scheme of things it's a pretty irrelevant thing, but duping is not exactly noble. The only reason I said anything at all is that some people seem to have a slightly myopic perspective on the "opportunity" that was presented yesterday.
i'm not a fan of account bound items in diablo, but i feel like they were appropriate considering the circumstances hey i'm not any more smug about these profits than i was about my other profits
When you dupe, you dupe with Hitler.
It doesn't seem to me that D3 offers a context for moral judgments.
Saying that a person is playing the game virtuously is...maybe a strange understanding of what virtue is. Presumably a virtuous person wouldn't be playing a game, and would rather volunteer at a soup kitchen.
Dupers do gain profits as a result of exploiting other people, yes. But all of the people in question are selfish assholes who are playing video games instead of making the world a better place. So, morally, it seems like everyone involved is kind of a prick.
Oh my god.
Diablo 3's gold is Nazi gold.
That's why the demons have it.
these are the questions we have to ask
Yes it does. It's why you don't play a WD. Zombies? Evil magic? You don't want to be messing with that...
Lose: The opposite of win
Loose: Your mum
Drops for individual players are complete garbage, specifically because of the AH.
Going to wait to see what they do with drops in the itemization patch, myself - "less junk, more win" seems to have been their philosophy with it - but acting like the AH has had no adverse effects whatsoever is silly, especially when Blizzard themselves have outright admitted there are issues.
We may disagree about what effects are adverse. Amish players do not seem to have been harmed by the AH.
Well, I offered it at a price. They accepted it. Arms length, free will transaction. And Blizzard wouldn't allow me to offer it at a lower price...
Lose: The opposite of win
Loose: Your mum
even if there was no AH, you could still trade with people. there would be more friction, but drops would still have to generally be shit in order to slow the saturation of the system until the expansion/patch
the ability to exchange items/currency between players is why drops are what they are. the AH just makes that exchange faster and easier.
the truly moral choice would be not to sell any gold at all
how could you do something so terrible, matz?
Okay, we need to be crystal clear, the gold/gem loop was perfectly legit. The gold you got from them came out of a chest like any other.
There's no "taint" there.
I'm buying gems from people who crafted or bought then.
I'm selling those gems to people with gold that want them.
I'm selling that gold to people who don't realize a lower price can be had.
But all participants in this were willing, all the game mechanics involved were legit.
The game is the game, man.
Yeah, I don't think it's fair to even remotely compare a little light RMAH hustling to duping and exploits.
the point is it's a video game, the consequences are basically nonexistent, there is no moral taint in any direction here
dupers aren't getting banned for being immoral, they're getting banned for breaking the ToS
Ah but you see it is for the greater moral good. It enabled my barb to utterly crush the forces of evil with extreme efficiency. Everyone benefits! Nothing more moral than a good honest axe to the face.
Lose: The opposite of win
Loose: Your mum
Not implying that there was anything wrong with the gold/gems loop.
and who wouldn't want that?
YOU STILL HAVE THE BLOOD OF INNOCENT TREASURE GOBLINS ON YOUR HANDS
JOIN
GOBLIN'S
OBLITERATION
ARE
THE
SEVEREST
EVIL
TODAY
I can respect that.
D3: Caretta#1196
The system is closely tied to real life money transactions. Knowingly causing artificial inflation* is actually somewhere akin to fraud.
I know there's not a lot of money involved, but still.
*using a method you know to be 'against da rules', that is. ie duping.
Yep. Taking advantage of ignorant people is capitalism 101. It's why advertising even exists as a concept. There are obviously limits... It's wrong to cause someone to become ignorant by misleading them, or to lie when asked straight up. But the gem flipping pre-goldpocalypse was pretty standard arbitrage.
You guys got like a website or something I can check out?
dirty hipster, get that irony shit out of here
I got it, though, I was more replying to Korror by way of your quote tree. It did feel like there was some attempt to compare "exploiting" the gem/gold trade and taking duped gold.
Diablo 3 Profile
That's thread title material right there... Rolo's post was as well but I dunno if it can be condensed to a thread title.
Diablo 3 Profile
I. Just. Want. Gems.
Oh the irony.
They seriously can't do this with something like and bring them up in an hour or two after it completes?
I'm kind worried about exactly what state this whole code base is even in. It is as though they are seriously scared to do anything at all off the beaten path out of fear that they'll expose some exploit or bring the whole system crashing down around them.
I know, and it's not like they have the ability to roll back the servers or anything if that happens...........
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.....yeah.
They're fucktards.