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  • HullisHullis I'm no more a spy than you are- A doctor.Registered User regular
    well, in fairness, the indie scene is pretty goddamn disgusting
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  • HullisHullis I'm no more a spy than you are- A doctor.Registered User regular
    I love Phil Fish but if he is a Titan of a Scene then that Scene needs to recalibrate itself in a lot of ways
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  • -Tal-Tal Truth is elusive It's nowhere to be foundRegistered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I kind of stopped caring once he starting making pretty weird and reaching statements about how games have to try to make some sort of deep point to be considered good, and then accused the indie gaming scene of being classist and racist and then makes a bunch of silly criticisms like how success requiring networking within the industry/scene/whatever is a bad thing and offers no actual solutions to this perceived problem.

    she

    just because you identify a problem doesn't mean you're obligated to offer a solution
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  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    which "pretty weird and reaching statements about how games have to try to make some sort of deep point to be considered good", exactly
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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    which "pretty weird and reaching statements about how games have to try to make some sort of deep point to be considered good", exactly
    i'm starting to feel like i won't be taken seriously unless i make a game that is viewed as "serious" or as "personal". i am starting to feel like unless i say my game is "about rape" or "about transphobia" or "about misogyny" (three things i know a lot about) and clearly articulate why this is the case, that i won't be taken seriously. i must be trying to achieve some kind of articulable political goal, and/or the things featured in the game must be "my" experiences. otherwise, i'm just making another stupid cartoony videogame.
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  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    did you actually read those words, or just the words you wanted to read
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  • interrobanginterrobang we can tear up this rotten world together we'll break and smash and pound it into dustRegistered User regular
    making "weird and reaching statements about how games have to try and make some sort of deep point to be considered good" seems like the total opposite of what she wrote
    i am extremely skeptical that making an on-the-surface "personal" game is an inherently more valid or emotionally honest way to express oneself.[...]

    i'm starting to feel like i won't be taken seriously unless i make a game that is viewed as "serious" or as "personal". i am starting to feel like unless i say my game is "about rape" or "about transphobia" or "about misogyny" (three things i know a lot about) and clearly articulate why this is the case, that i won't be taken seriously. i must be trying to achieve some kind of articulable political goal, and/or the things featured in the game must be "my" experiences. otherwise, i'm just making another stupid cartoony videogame.[...]

    unless you think that the last part there is a literal invocation of "games must be deep or they are bad", in which case you should work on your reading comprehension
  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Where would that sentiment even come from though? For real

    Because I look at some of the most celebrated games of the past year, both indie and otherwise, and that seems like a totally fabricated concern
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  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom It's a brand new day and the sun is high All the birds are singing that you're gonna dieRegistered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Maddoc I think you misread or misinterpreted something in there

    and by "something" I mean "a lot of things" and by "think" I mean "I'm pretty sure"
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  • Vann DirasVann Diras Registered User regular
    she is saying she feels like unless you're making a "personal" game, you aren't going to get any attention or be taken seriously

    ignoring games like joust and the rest of the sportsfriends package, nidhogg, towerfall, or even something like candybox

    all of those are up and coming indie games that have received incredible amounts of attention and accolades, all of them fuckin' game ass games
  • interrobanginterrobang we can tear up this rotten world together we'll break and smash and pound it into dustRegistered User regular
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    she is saying she feels like unless you're making a "personal" game, you aren't going to get any attention or be taken seriously

    ignoring games like joust and the rest of the sportsfriends package, nidhogg, towerfall, or even something like candybox

    all of those are up and coming indie games that have received incredible amounts of attention and accolades, all of them fuckin' game ass games

    do you think anyone is going to be talking about any of those games in about two months
  • interrobanginterrobang we can tear up this rotten world together we'll break and smash and pound it into dustRegistered User regular
    especially candybox, like are you kidding me

    do you think anyone took candybox seriously
  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    vann I think you are mistaken joust is like a hella old arcade game or something

    it is so old dinosaurs played it in dinosaur arcades
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  • MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    i stopped playing candybox a while ago. i got to hell and stopped caring.
  • HullisHullis I'm no more a spy than you are- A doctor.Registered User regular
    Let's talk about GOTY of 2012 Frog Fractions
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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    making "weird and reaching statements about how games have to try and make some sort of deep point to be considered good" seems like the total opposite of what she wrote
    i am extremely skeptical that making an on-the-surface "personal" game is an inherently more valid or emotionally honest way to express oneself.[...]

    i'm starting to feel like i won't be taken seriously unless i make a game that is viewed as "serious" or as "personal". i am starting to feel like unless i say my game is "about rape" or "about transphobia" or "about misogyny" (three things i know a lot about) and clearly articulate why this is the case, that i won't be taken seriously. i must be trying to achieve some kind of articulable political goal, and/or the things featured in the game must be "my" experiences. otherwise, i'm just making another stupid cartoony videogame.[...]

    unless you think that the last part there is a literal invocation of "games must be deep or they are bad", in which case you should work on your reading comprehension

    Okay let me rephrase "have to try and make some sort of deep point to be taken seriously", because I guess people got caught up on the word considered in my original statement.

    I wasn't saying that the statement claims that these aspects are required to make a good game, but that the concern is that these aspects are required for the game to be considered in a positive light, ie to be taken seriously.

    But this concern is totally weird because virtually none of the most popular and successful and lauded indie games of the past however many years even fit into these criteria about personal experiences or political goals.
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  • AntimatterAntimatter I remember touch I need something moreRegistered User regular
    i never got past eat the candies or throw them on the floor
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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Chareth Cutestory Lawyer of the SeaRegistered User regular
    Hullis wrote: »
    Let's talk about GOTY of 2012 Frog Fractions

    Or GOTY 2010 Super Meat Boy
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  • The Geebs That Is A PonyThe Geebs That Is A Pony Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    whenever somebody posts an excellent piece like that and there are reactions wherein vague, unoffensive dislike is expressed this is basically how I see it

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    why
  • Mr FuzzbuttMr Fuzzbutt Polar Warbear ˁ ͡° ᴥ ͡°ˀRegistered User regular
    especially candybox, like are you kidding me

    do you think anyone took candybox seriously

    what are you saying?

    what the fuck are you saying???????
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  • MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    Antimatter wrote: »
    i never got past eat the candies or throw them on the floor

    It's an easy choice, you just have to ask yourself if you're an adult.
  • Vann DirasVann Diras Registered User regular
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    she is saying she feels like unless you're making a "personal" game, you aren't going to get any attention or be taken seriously

    ignoring games like joust and the rest of the sportsfriends package, nidhogg, towerfall, or even something like candybox

    all of those are up and coming indie games that have received incredible amounts of attention and accolades, all of them fuckin' game ass games

    do you think anyone is going to be talking about any of those games in about two months

    what the fuck is anyone supposed to say to this, exactly? yes? no? how can you know either way

    most of those aren't even out yet. will anyone be talking about papers please two months after it comes out, other than the occasional "hey papers please was neat"?

    who the fuck knows
  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Hullis wrote: »
    Let's talk about GOTY of 2012 Frog Fractions

    Or GOTY 2010 Super Meat Boy

    I believe that the personal experience this was trying to express

    was Team Meat's experiences living with a crippling salt allergy
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  • Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Melding wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    i never got past eat the candies or throw them on the floor

    It's an easy choice, you just have to ask yourself if you're an adult.

    Any excuse to remind people of this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ
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  • -Tal-Tal Truth is elusive It's nowhere to be foundRegistered User regular
    candy box is a video game about leaving your computer running overnight
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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Chareth Cutestory Lawyer of the SeaRegistered User regular
    What is Minecraft trying to say
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  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    What is Minecraft trying to say

    "hahahahaha this is a terrible fucking game but it made me stupid rich"
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  • AntimatterAntimatter I remember touch I need something moreRegistered User regular
    What is Minecraft trying to say

    SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSBOOOOM
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  • interrobanginterrobang we can tear up this rotten world together we'll break and smash and pound it into dustRegistered User regular
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    What is Minecraft trying to say

    "hahahahaha this is a terrible fucking game but it made me stupid rich"

    "look at how much money i made off this piece of shit that i cobbled together and then handed off to some other guy"
  • HullisHullis I'm no more a spy than you are- A doctor.Registered User regular
    For real though, I don't think Frog Fractions was trying to be anything other than a game that fucked with your preconceived notions of games, it didn't have a theme

    and people went apeshit over it for like a month and a half and now nobody mentions it

    just like Braid

    Games are fleeting, period
    diamonds are forever
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  • AntimatterAntimatter I remember touch I need something moreRegistered User regular
    (i liked minecraft better when it was browser-based and you could make lots of clones of yourself and there were sponges)
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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Chareth Cutestory Lawyer of the SeaRegistered User regular
    Is anyone gonna be talking about Minecraft two months from now
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  • interrobanginterrobang we can tear up this rotten world together we'll break and smash and pound it into dustRegistered User regular
    because video games are for children
  • Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    What is Minecraft trying to say

    It's an incredible statement on how playing with blocks and your imagination is worth tens of millions of dollars.

    But to be honest, an incredible game, FEZ, is mainly talked about a year later because of controversy around Phil Fish.
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  • HullisHullis I'm no more a spy than you are- A doctor.Registered User regular
    What is Minecraft trying to say
    "get a better processor on your computer"
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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    What is Minecraft trying to say

    It's just a really well disguised protest against Java
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  • MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    i still have never played minecraft.
  • GatsbyGatsby Last night I had a dream about you In this dream I'm dancing right beside youRegistered User regular
    I like watching Minecraft more than playing it
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  • AntimatterAntimatter I remember touch I need something moreRegistered User regular
    the best minecraft related stuff nowadays isnt even in the base game

    mods make it hilarious
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