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Burnage

What standard bot lane doesn't counter support Lissandra hard?

I've done well with her against non-traditional supports (like Trundle), but Sona, Zyra, Taric, Leona, etc. just completely ruin her day.

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot

She does well against Thresh, Soraka, Sona, Lulu...

Here's how I play her. I use her W to disengage and her Q as a slow, not a harass (although I'll throw out a couple of Q's because they're free thanks to her passive)

Once I have Q W E and Exhaust then you can blink in, snare both players, and slow them with Q. Exhaust the ADC, and if you have a strong laning ADC, you should win the trade

Rinse and repeat, when you have your ult it's far nastier

Rami

Why was twin fang not classified as single target in the first place?

chocobolicious

I feel like such a bad person, but Shaco makes me so happy.

I was trying machete>boots>madreds>zerks>zeal>shiv>BF sword item.

Rocked a game with machete>boots>madreds>zerks>tiamat into hydra>Yuumuus and oh god it was hilarious.

Q>attack>E>R>1>2>box behind me>Q away while the clone explodes and they all die.

I'm still not sold on Shiv yet, I see a lot of guides suggest it but the hydra just seems like the beefier choice and the ghostblade is just hilarious and a bit of armor pen.

Grabbed wriggles one game too because why not? More lifesteal is good. Maybe I should have just gone for a BORK though.

I needed a name to post.

Rami wrote: »

Why was twin fang not classified as single target in the first place?

Usually when a spell (like Twin Fang or Vlad Q) is not classified as single target, it is because it is on such a low cooldown that they are afraid of abuse cases cropping up in its interactions with items that are typically balanced around higher cooldown spells. One can imagine how a Vlad with a 35% slow on about a 2s cooldown is a real pain in the ass.

Burnage

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot wrote: »

She does well against Thresh, Soraka, Sona, Lulu...

I just don't see that. Somebody as squishy as Lissandra engaging against Thresh sounds like a recipe for getting hookmurdered. Lulu and Soraka can both completely shut her down after blinking with E thanks to polymorph and infuse; Soraka's also got the sustain to mostly ignore her harass, and Lulu has more range and a shield. Sona deals more damage and has sustain, and at level 6 her CC is flat out stronger.

Liss' pre-6 CC doesn't help much in winning bot lane trades - a snare doesn't stop an AD carry attacking, after all - and her ult's CC is roughly equivalent to what Taric gets at level 1. She's fun, but both on paper and in my limited experience I don't think she does well at all in bot lane.

Talith

Cass what you just described is an all-in murder lane. It works against Sona and Soraka because those are champions you want to catch and kill.

The Tresh and Lulu were bads.

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot

Well yeah I'm a bronze player

If I don't do stuff like orianna support and lissandra support ill throw myself out a window

Jookie

Hasn't Vlad Q been considered single target for a really long time now?

Edit: hey apparently it isn't for Rylai's I always thought it was you learn something new sometimes I'm kind of dumb.

Stragint

chocobolicious wrote: »

I feel like such a bad person, but Shaco makes me so happy.

I was trying machete>boots>madreds>zerks>zeal>shiv>BF sword item.

Rocked a game with machete>boots>madreds>zerks>tiamat into hydra>Yuumuus and oh god it was hilarious.

Q>attack>E>R>1>2>box behind me>Q away while the clone explodes and they all die.

I'm still not sold on Shiv yet, I see a lot of guides suggest it but the hydra just seems like the beefier choice and the ghostblade is just hilarious and a bit of armor pen.

Grabbed wriggles one game too because why not? More lifesteal is good. Maybe I should have just gone for a BORK though.

I tried Shaco but I couldn't get any good ganks off. I felt like a failure.

Talith

Yup, near the end of 2011 they changed his Q cooldown from 3 seconds to 4 seconds and then the following patch made it count as a single target spell after there was blood on the streets from all the angry Vlad players.

Coinage

Talith wrote: »

Yup, near the end of 2011 they changed his Q cooldown from 3 seconds to 4 seconds and then the following patch made it count as a single target spell after there was blood on the streets from all the angry Vlad players.

Huh, you're right, it's there in the patch notes, I wonder why people still think it doesn't apply the full rylai's slow.

Jookie

I don't know what skill I read then because I thought it said diminished effect. Refer to comment about being dumb.

Coinage

Jookie wrote: »

I don't know what skill I read then because I thought it said diminished effect. Refer to comment about being dumb.

It did say diminished effect on the wiki. I just changed it.

Lewisham

GET ALL THE RIBBONS

Well, just the two. But I got them both one after the other. Cray cray.

TIFunkalicious

I already lost this game, guess I didn't deserve to have those league points after all amirite

Mahnmut

I have a tough decision to make when I reach 6300 IP in a few games, but I think Sejuani will win out.

edit: Also, Fiddles is an odd duck, but he sure is good in ARAM.

Zyrxil

ARAM is a killing field.

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot

the thing is with support lissandra is i just hate playing her mid

she's so slow and vulnerable

TIFunkalicious

xin went 0/9 btw

im disappointed he couldn't feed harder

I needed a name to post.

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot wrote: »

the thing is with support lissandra is i just hate playing her mid

she's so slow and vulnerable

if only she had some sort of teleport

PrjctD_Captain

Yeah, something that would let her change places in a flash.

Miniwolf

Got to my 'Collect $200 go to silver II' promotion series. Game 1: Convincing Win. Game 2: D/C'd player for the entire match. Game 3: First pick mid Kassadin, feeds uncontrollably in mid like 6 deaths in 12 min. Back to the grind. I took the wrong masteries that game too. Ahh well.

Khavall

I just had a game where at 5/9/5 I had not only a majority of the kills and the least deaths, but there was literally not a kill that I was not responsible for in some way, as Lee Sin jungling.

The teams diagnostic of why we lost?

REPORT NOOB JUNGLER NO GANK

JAEF

Khavall wrote: »

I just had a game where at 5/9/5 I had not only a majority of the kills and the least deaths, but there was literally not a kill that I was not responsible for in some way, as Lee Sin jungling.

The teams diagnostic of why we lost?

REPORT NOOB JUNGLER NO GANK

They neglect to count the times you had to come to lane after they lost a 1v1 to kill the enemy laner as a gank. Why weren't you there to save their life. Just spend the whole game in their lane bush dude.

TIFunkalicious

i usually have muted my entire team by the end of the game whenever i jungle

pyromaniac221

you have to spend the whole game in every lane bush

and that means both mid lane bushes too

JAEF

pyromaniac221 wrote: »

you have to spend the whole game in every lane bush

and that means both mid lane bushes too

League needs a Meepo equivalent ASAP Riot plz

Carnarvon

Khavall wrote: »

I just had a game where at 5/9/5 I had not only a majority of the kills and the least deaths, but there was literally not a kill that I was not responsible for in some way, as Lee Sin jungling.

The teams diagnostic of why we lost?

REPORT NOOB JUNGLER NO GANK

I had a Blitz top game where I ended as 1/6/7 in a game that ended 8-24. Every single kill was due to me roaming or deep-ward teleport ganking into a grab. The enemy voli top never took my tower, ended 2/2/2, and only had 30cs on me.

"GG, troll pick top."

Mr.Sunshine

Really ARAM? Really?

Their team: Veigar, Annie, Nunu, Galio and Teemo.

Our team: Olaf, Irelia, Elise, Renekton(me) and Diana.

Hey, lets all go at them and get stunned the fuck up.

And then there was the Galio Ult in a Nunu Ult in a Annie stun surrounded by a Veigar ring. I'm sure there was a Teemo shroom in there too.

The Ender

Unstoppable force into Renekton, killing him outright and securing the win.

/all: A rock killed the dinosaurs

/all: True story

evilthecat

Mr.Sunshine wrote: »

Really ARAM? Really?

Their team: Veigar, Annie, Nunu, Galio and Teemo.

Our team: Olaf, Irelia, Elise, Renekton(me) and Diana.

Hey, lets all go at them and get stunned the fuck up.

And then there was the Galio Ult in a Nunu Ult in a Annie stun surrounded by a Veigar ring. I'm sure there was a Teemo shroom in there too.

all in them early to prevent them abusing their aoe ult setup!

Miniwolf

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/05/gypsylord-on-improving-ashes-passive.html

Possible rework of Ashe's Passive to make it easier to use.

"IMO Ashe as a whole is in a pretty good spot. She sees decent play and maintains a decent win rate across all elos while also being a niche pick in the competitive environment. Her kit has clear strengths and weaknesses and offers Ashe players many opportunities for extreme high moments.

What is NOT in a good spot is Focus, Ashe's passive. As far as the majority of Ashe players are concerned it provides one singular moment of play and power to Ashe over the duration of the entire game. This is during the level one team fight/lane engagement. For the rest of the game the Ashe player tends not to notice or care about Focus and if she does notice it she feels as though she has no way to be proactive and take advantage of the power it is providing. Not cool.

So what to do? CHANGE IT OF COURSE! Here's something CertainlyT and I just put into testing:

Ashe gains 3/6/9/12/15/18 stacks of Focus for every 3 seconds spent not attacking. At 100 stacks her next attack is guaranteed to crit. Her Focus stacks will then reset to her current Crit Chance.

Note - Attacking no longer causes Ashe to lose focus.

The goal here isn't to do a massive Focus overhaul but instead make a lighter change that turns Focus into a binary mechanic that you can plan and play around in lane. If you have full stacks of Focus you get a free crit on your next attack. If you have 90 stacks of Focus then go hide in a bush for 6 seconds, get Focus, and R+W+Crit the enemy Sona."

Antinumeric

Miniwolf wrote: »

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/05/gypsylord-on-improving-ashes-passive.html

Possible rework of Ashe's Passive to make it easier to use.

"IMO Ashe as a whole is in a pretty good spot. She sees decent play and maintains a decent win rate across all elos while also being a niche pick in the competitive environment. Her kit has clear strengths and weaknesses and offers Ashe players many opportunities for extreme high moments.

What is NOT in a good spot is Focus, Ashe's passive. As far as the majority of Ashe players are concerned it provides one singular moment of play and power to Ashe over the duration of the entire game. This is during the level one team fight/lane engagement. For the rest of the game the Ashe player tends not to notice or care about Focus and if she does notice it she feels as though she has no way to be proactive and take advantage of the power it is providing. Not cool.

So what to do? CHANGE IT OF COURSE! Here's something CertainlyT and I just put into testing:

Ashe gains 3/6/9/12/15/18 stacks of Focus for every 3 seconds spent not attacking. At 100 stacks her next attack is guaranteed to crit. Her Focus stacks will then reset to her current Crit Chance.

Note - Attacking no longer causes Ashe to lose focus.

The goal here isn't to do a massive Focus overhaul but instead make a lighter change that turns Focus into a binary mechanic that you can plan and play around in lane. If you have full stacks of Focus you get a free crit on your next attack. If you have 90 stacks of Focus then go hide in a bush for 6 seconds, get Focus, and R+W+Crit the enemy Sona."

So at level 1 not auto attacking for 30 seconds gives you a crit. At level 18 not auto attacking for 15 seconds gives you a crit?

No increased crit chance outside of that. Stacks never go down. Might be useful in lane but it depends how many stacks you get while last hitting. I'm not convinced.

Expigator

Who's excited about 3.7? I love the changes! Nerf those ranged adcs...nerf zac, elise and other champions i don't own or play! And custom item sets? That makes shopping easier.

What's with the Rammus nerf though, that definitely doesn't help his jungling...Not like he had a fast/easy clear as it was.

Kay

There's a blanket ADC auto attack range nerf? Do tell.

Miniwolf

Expigator wrote: »

Who's excited about 3.7? I love the changes! Nerf those ranged adcs...nerf zac, elise and other champions i don't own or play! And custom item sets? That makes shopping easier.

What's with the Rammus nerf though, that definitely doesn't help his jungling...Not like he had a fast/easy clear as it was.

Wasn't a nerf - minions are what are in lanes. Monsters are what are in jungles. He can still taunt monsters (buffs away from people)


I have spent far to much of my morning, setting up item sets for different champions via logmein at work.

Joshmvii

Man, I love how people get so worked up about different item builds. I felt like playing Katarina last night while playing normal draft with my friends. I'm going top lane, so I run 9/21/0. The other team has triple AP, including a Karthus, so I decide i'm going to go with a build that will counter that, not to mention I want to be tanky because I'm the top laner and I don't want 80% of our team to be squishy. I build Warmog's first item, then Abyssal Scepter. So now I'm basically untouchable to their APs, especially the Lissandra that topped against me. The enemy team kept acting smug about my build in all chat, and I have no idea why. I think the Lissandra was mad that I was beating her down 1v1 with nothing but a Warmog's on Katarina. I ended up building Warmog's, Abyssal, Haunting Guise, Sorc boots, then later getting a DFG(for CDR and the active) and finishing Liandry's late game after I was super fed. I think I went 13/4/15. Guess I just don't understand why people are so hung up on building the same items every game, and never changing it up.

Also had a game going 13/3/9 as Quinn AD carry. It was me and Blitz versus Alistar/Ashe. I honestly love the hell out of Quinn. No, she doesn't scale as hard as other AD carries into the late game. Yes, she's more fun to play than most of them, and that's what drives my decision. She's so strong in lane with E-harrier auto, especially not that she gets move speed after hitting a harriered target.

Plus, there's no other AD carry that can see a fight going on mid, bird dog, fly in to lane, swoop in on the enemy mid, attack them a million miles an hour and then just rain arrows down on their head for a kill. Plus, IMO her team fight potential is underrated. If somebody dives on me, I'll ult, blind them, attack in bird form with the AA steroid until the blind is gone, rain arrows on them, E away and kite it out, blind when it comes up, E when it comes up, etc. Depending on who is diving me I may need help from my team for CC peel, but that goes for 100% of AD carries.

Naphtali

How are you building her bot lane Josh, out of curiosity?

Expigator

Miniwolf wrote: »

Wasn't a nerf - minions are what are in lanes. Monsters are what are in jungles. He can still taunt monsters (buffs away from people)

Well sonuva bitch. Could that be considered a buff then since you can't mistaunt in midst of a group of minions?

As for ranged adcs nerfs, i'm looking at caitlyn who can't get stacks off structures (but the %ias increase may make up for that) and MF with impure shots. Maybe "ranged adcs" as a group was too generalized for me to say, but i see Caitlyn and MF in all my sub-30 normal games.