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I think just saying I am proud of x is better than saying one is a patriot or has patriotism. Less loaded history behind it and less assumptions tied to it.
fuq u narc
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it's an ugly word in every country i've lived (israel, germany, america)
i'm a disease, and with me i bring ruin
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I find it used as a loaded term all the time with East Asia. In the Mid East, especially towards Iranians and Israelis. You can say it is a loaded term in Germany and I found it so with German exchange students.
It s a loaded term because many things were done in the name of patriotism and nationalism in many places. It is in vogue for it to be used as a loaded term with the US because the US has used it as an excuse to reduce disagreement with in its political system.
it's one of those decisions that has clearly been made at some higher level and filtered down everywhere else
five years ago he was a nostalgia character, like Moon Knight or something, but there has not been any sort of big groundswell of support to make Cyborg a big deal all of a sudden
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it might seem inconsistent to you but one of the things i am all wishywashy subjective on is language
objectivity in word definition galls me, and it bothers me when the argument a person is posing isn't on the sentiment being expressed by language but that they don't like the word i use for it
because they have their own definition of it, and they're not willing to meet me halfway on it and say "well, when you say it, it doesn't mean the same thing as when i say it"
No, really. I think being proud of something that's average is kind of weird. And if you're proud of something that's above-average doesn't that imply that it's better than other things.
i... guess?
i just
i dunno he's always seemed like such a dorky character to me
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For somethings I agree with you.
But stuff like nationalism, patriotism and such have pretty specific meanings in stuff I study and really extensive histories tied to them. Such ideas and beliefs have produced a lot of horrible events in history outside and inside North America so it is one I am less wishy washy on.
I'm proud of that ketchup robot
That ketchup robot needs your support.
How was that robot average?
presumably you would be proud of the parts that are above average, since qualitative ratings like that are granular- i.e. i rule at some stuff and suck at others.
and for the shitty stuff i guess it becomes more about self-actuation and meaning. like, what does philadelphia mean to me? where despite its grime and awfulness it might have some particular, uniquely associated connection with me where i remember certain wonderful days looking at the skyline.
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well, if you've got a better, less loaded single word that describes pride and confidence in one's country and the holarchical whole of the people in that country, hit me
Well I mean
You can kind of see why that would be the case. "Patriotism" here sometimes means unquestioningly agreeing with the government. We have the PATRIOT act legalizing some pretty terrible stuff. "Unpatriotic" is a slur leveled at those who don't unflinchingly think the government is good. It's charged with some weird anti-gay rhetoric at times.
I get where you're coming from, but there's definitely a legitimate reason Americans might be uncomfortable with the word.
Sadly I do not. I would just say "I am proud of being Canadian" or "I am proud of my country."
It is the feeling you are expressing but without the baggage that being a patriot of a country carries around the world.
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I mean I guess that works. Ultimately, though, people will read into a deliberate aversion to the use of the word "patriot" or "patriotism" however they want too, so I don't see any way around it. If the impression is that important, it: A) probably won't be made or broken on one word; and
interestingly enough i generally find folks on the internet react more poorly to that than the word patriotic
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the new Blue Beetle, for instance, or graduate Static from whatever limbo he's in
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Well, to respond to you first, I have a difficult time not letting the bad stuff spoil the good. I favor ambivalence whenever there is a basis for such.
But where I'm going with that post is that, except in the context of maybe policy making where it would be helpful to know where we are quantitatively ahead or behind, I don't think it's very helpful or normal to consider that stuff in the day to day. It just doesn't figure into my thinking. When I think of my country in the context of the international community and interact with people from other countries I don't feel patriotism is really relevant.
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The internet also does other stupid things. And is mostly made up of cat pictures and porn.
But in real life interactions I find it is the opposite.
Of course the internet loves to put words in people's mouths too.
I am proud of my country for not tearing itself apart despite it having every chance too.
Doesn't feel too good.
well maybe not your dad
but like
your buddy's dad who you thought was kind of a cool guy before
and you're like
man
that first thing seems like your hangup brah. i dunno. i am not big on idolizing country (except getting defensive about cunty europeans, no offense european forum brahs) but things do have dimensions and facets. ain't no place completely great or completely awful.
but then that's when I'm around my own countrymen so
he had to be taken out of the teen titans anyway, since he got forgotten by the shifting time-scale and became Old for reasons that are... unclear to me. the males always age - Robin gets substituted by successor Robins - and the females get periodically bumped back down to sixteen. but Cyborg doesn't have a successor waiting in the wings.
it's embarrassing as hell
I read all these names on their books and it's like a who's who of the shitty dark ages of the 90s
Bob Harras? Howard Mackie? Who the fuck was clamoring to read books written by Howard Mackie?
meanwhile Marvel is just kind of...there. their comics feel like a vestigial appendage of whatever the movies are doing at the moment.
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