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  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. Risk is our business.Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    "support the arts" doesn't just mean "pay artists so they don't have to get real jobs"

    we are all clear on that point, yes?

    eh, I think it's a pretty succinct summary of it, actually.

    haha, ok guy
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  • CorehealerCorehealer The Apothecary Your Dark Descent FriendRegistered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Corehealer wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Also 'prestige' shit like landing on the moon does things for humanity other than concrete practicals it spurs creativity and wonder and shit pragmatism never does.

    really?

    like what?

    what did a moon landing do for humanity that, say, 300 hoover dams wouldn't?

    300 Hoovber dams would ruin the world's landscape what kind of environmentalist are you.

    i am not particularly an environmentalist

    300 Hoover Dams is dumb, we only need maybe 50, for energy generation and water management.

    The Moon landing is just a big fuck yeah moment that cost a lot of money, like the Olympics, but with only 3 people.

    i guess i didn't mean literally building 300 hoover dams

    i meant 300 public engineering projects on the order of hoover dam or the golden gate bridge or the tva

    That would probably be China then. And really should be the US, rather then dumping that money into the military industrial complex.
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  • Irond WillIrond Will Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    dams are one thing where the environmental impact seems to be kind of overstated at times

    I mean of course it depends but people are like of course they're bad for the environment too but like no! not when this conversation was about coal power!

    the negative environmental impact of dams is making a bigger lake that is not really on the same level


    of course unless you're china and like to go a bit crazy with shit like that.

    China tends to go overboard and not check if things are a good idea ahead of time. It's ok, it happens to a lot of countries.

    You can't see but I am gesturing to the land around myself.

    yeah i agree. natick has gotten a little out of hand

    did they never consider the environmental impacts of nine cheesecake factories in the same square mile!?
  • 21stCentury21stCentury Raiding Relics Everyday Registered User regular
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  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    "support the arts" doesn't just mean "pay artists so they don't have to get real jobs"

    we are all clear on that point, yes?

    eh, I think it's a pretty succinct summary of it, actually.

    haha, ok guy

    I'm talking specifically about grants and fellowships to artists, in the context of the NEA.

    I'm not talking about street festivals or museums or commissioning works for public spaces.
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  • ElldrenElldren Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Elldren wrote: »
    Dams also wouldn't stop monsoons

    therefore not a great way to control flooding in Cambodia

    just saying

    i thought that dams are exactly how to mitigate seasonal flooding from things like monsoons.

    didn't the nile do this?

    and the ganges?

    and the yangtse?

    and the upper mississippi?

    Yes, dams with reservoirs are supposed to even out seasonal water levels and prevent flooding. That is one of their purposes.

    Right

    but Cambodia doesn't really have any good place to put a dam reservoir

    Its natural lakes are already huge and the problem rivers and flood areas are just too flat
  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    dams are one thing where the environmental impact seems to be kind of overstated at times

    I mean of course it depends but people are like of course they're bad for the environment too but like no! not when this conversation was about coal power!

    the negative environmental impact of dams is making a bigger lake that is not really on the same level


    of course unless you're china and like to go a bit crazy with shit like that.

    The environmental impact of dams is stopping the replenishing of soil at the mouth of the river and screwing up the biodiversity in the river. Also they magnify problems like fertilizer runoff or acidity issues.

    And the floods don't replenish the soil nutrients because they don't happen any more. That's sort of a problem too.
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  • ArchArch Trust me, I'm a scientist Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    "support the arts" doesn't just mean "pay artists so they don't have to get real jobs"

    we are all clear on that point, yes?

    eh, I think it's a pretty succinct summary of it, actually.

    haha, ok guy

    I'm talking specifically about grants and fellowships to artists.

    I'm not talking about street festivals or museums or commissioning works for public spaces.

    I still disagree with you then!

    Lets fite

    Choos your weapons

    Wait are you saying no to grants and yes commissioning public works?
  • HamurabiHamurabi Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Couscous wrote: »
    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/vendor-pulls-obama-target-from-booth-at-nra?ref=fpb
    At its convention in Houston, over the weekend, the National Rifle Association asked a vendor to take down a mannequin target that looked like President Barack Obama, Buzzfeed reported on Sunday.

    The vendor, Zombie Industries, produces "life-sized tactical mannequin" targets that "bleed" when shot. Photographs of the company's booth at the convention taken by Buzzfeed show that the company had several sample mannequins displayed for sale, including a clown, a "terrorist," and a Nazi.

    "Someone from the NRA came by and asked us to remove it" a Zombie Industries booth worker told BuzzFeed, referring to the company's "Bleeding Rocky Zombie" target. "They thought it looked too much like President Obama."

    Buzzfeed asked the worker if the resemblance was intentional.

    "Let's just say I gave my Republican father one for Christmas," the worker replied.

    The Rocky mannequins are being sold at Zombie Industries' website for $89.95 each. The product description states that "Rocky is HIGHLY dangerous due to his quick wit and strength… he was last seen screaming something like, 'Zombie Industries believes in America!' And that we do."

    "What makes our Zombie’s so special?" the product description page asks. "They’re filled with biodegradable matter, which makes clean up a wee-bit easier…(are you happy, mom?) …and oh yah, let’s not forget, they bleed and burst into little pieces of blood soaked, Zombie matter when you shoot them!"
    There is something deeply disturbing about practicing shooting using an effigy of the president.

    Separating out the President Obama part of this -- which is pretty dumb and I feel like that company is relying exactly as heavily on batshit insane right-wingers as it is on the troll reaction from outraged Everyone Else...

    How is this actually different from what we do with video-games? Realistic combat -- sometimes even blood spatters -- are an actual selling point for FPS titles and other violent games. What makes us sane and them crazy?
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  • syndalissyndalis Aballah Can Tah Advancing the Human ConditionRegistered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Gooey wrote: »
    how about this

    if you are some dumb artist who just paints lines on canvas you get nothing because i could do that

    if you are an artist who paints like landscapes or fruit or people riding horses or whatever you get a pass because that seems way harder

    it's all scrub tier until you're doing lighthouses and cottages

    I hope Gooby isn;t being serious here, because if so he is basically saying that Kinkade is the pinnacle of good art.

    Shit like Jackson Pollock, Picasso, Dali and other irrational or surreal art is just as important a method of expression as hyper-realism.
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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    I'm against gnomes on a case by case basis, as everyone should be.

    eeeeh

    generally, it is prudent to be wary against gnomes.

    Never trust a race that can only take the Illusionist specialization for Wizards.
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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    I actually have kind of a difficult time with thinking about the social safety net.

    Generally, the debate tends to split into a couple of fairly poorly defined positions: "There need to be consequences to being unemployed, or else nobody would work", which is not, in and of itself, unreasonable. It gets sticky when it is primarily voiced by those that consider poverty and/or unemployment to be the result of moral failings.

    On the other hand, there are those that recoil in horror from anything that would impinge upon the personal autonomy of those using the services.

    I don't think anyone's really managed to propose a satisfactory compromise. Not least of which because there are a surprising number of people that won't accept any system that isn't explicitly punitive in some way.
  • ArchArch Trust me, I'm a scientist Registered User regular
  • ThomamelasThomamelas Registered User regular
    Hamurabi wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/vendor-pulls-obama-target-from-booth-at-nra?ref=fpb
    At its convention in Houston, over the weekend, the National Rifle Association asked a vendor to take down a mannequin target that looked like President Barack Obama, Buzzfeed reported on Sunday.

    The vendor, Zombie Industries, produces "life-sized tactical mannequin" targets that "bleed" when shot. Photographs of the company's booth at the convention taken by Buzzfeed show that the company had several sample mannequins displayed for sale, including a clown, a "terrorist," and a Nazi.

    "Someone from the NRA came by and asked us to remove it" a Zombie Industries booth worker told BuzzFeed, referring to the company's "Bleeding Rocky Zombie" target. "They thought it looked too much like President Obama."

    Buzzfeed asked the worker if the resemblance was intentional.

    "Let's just say I gave my Republican father one for Christmas," the worker replied.

    The Rocky mannequins are being sold at Zombie Industries' website for $89.95 each. The product description states that "Rocky is HIGHLY dangerous due to his quick wit and strength… he was last seen screaming something like, 'Zombie Industries believes in America!' And that we do."

    "What makes our Zombie’s so special?" the product description page asks. "They’re filled with biodegradable matter, which makes clean up a wee-bit easier…(are you happy, mom?) …and oh yah, let’s not forget, they bleed and burst into little pieces of blood soaked, Zombie matter when you shoot them!"
    There is something deeply disturbing about practicing shooting using an effigy of the president.

    Separating out the President Obama part of this -- which is pretty dumb and I feel like that company is relying exactly as heavily on batshit insane right-wingers as it is on the troll reaction from outraged Everyone Else...

    How is this actually different from what we do with video-games? Realistic combat -- sometimes even blood spatters -- are an actual selling point for FPS titles and other violent games. What makes us sane and them crazy?

    Use of live ammo.
    There's no living with a killing. There's no goin' back from one. Right or wrong, it's a brand... a brand sticks. There's no goin' back. Now you run on home to your mother and tell her... tell her everything's alright. And there aren't any more guns in the valley.
  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong and a cast of thousands Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    dams are one thing where the environmental impact seems to be kind of overstated at times

    I mean of course it depends but people are like of course they're bad for the environment too but like no! not when this conversation was about coal power!

    the negative environmental impact of dams is making a bigger lake that is not really on the same level


    of course unless you're china and like to go a bit crazy with shit like that.

    China tends to go overboard and not check if things are a good idea ahead of time. It's ok, it happens to a lot of countries.

    You can't see but I am gesturing to the land around myself.

    yeah i agree. natick has gotten a little out of hand

    did they never consider the environmental impacts of nine cheesecake factories in the same square mile!?

    THERE IS ONLY ONE YOU JERK. It's right next to a PF Changs and the Macaroni Grill.

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  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. Risk is our business.Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    "support the arts" doesn't just mean "pay artists so they don't have to get real jobs"

    we are all clear on that point, yes?

    No.

    Well it should be. Because it simply doesn't mean that, or at least ONLY that outside of Bill O'Reilly's fever dreams.

    It also includes things like copyright and fostering programs in schools and museums and festivals and blah blah blah

    It isn't just sending a check to a starving artist. In fact it rarely, if ever, is.
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  • _J__J_ Pedant Registered User regular
    Anyone else just get a message from @Bewarethem?
  • 21stCentury21stCentury Raiding Relics Everyday Registered User regular
    _J_ wrote: »
    Anyone else just get a message from @Bewarethem?

    What message did you get?
  • MimMim Registered User regular
    _J_ wrote: »
    Anyone else just get a message from @Bewarethem?

    YES. What the fuck is this.
  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    "support the arts" doesn't just mean "pay artists so they don't have to get real jobs"

    we are all clear on that point, yes?

    eh, I think it's a pretty succinct summary of it, actually.

    haha, ok guy

    I'm talking specifically about grants and fellowships to artists.

    I'm not talking about street festivals or museums or commissioning works for public spaces.

    I still disagree with you then!

    Lets fite

    Choos your weapons

    Wait are you saying no to grants and yes commissioning public works?

    p much

    I'm extraordinarily meh on government grants and fellowships to artists.

    I don't support the conservative agenda item of abolishing the NEA at this time because such grants and fellowships are literally the only way some people can avoid dying like Blind Willie Johnson.

    But it was unjust for Johnson to die broke and homeless because it is unjust for anyone to die broke and homeless; that Johnson was a great jazz musician made that injustice more palpable.
    I am comforted by Richard Dawkins’ theory of memes. Those are mental units: thoughts, ideas, gestures, notions, songs, beliefs, rhymes, ideals, teachings, sayings, phrases, clichés that move from mind to mind as genes move from body to body. After a lifetime of writing, teaching, broadcasting and telling too many jokes, I will leave behind more memes than many. They will all also eventually die, but so it goes. - Roger Ebert, I Do Not Fear Death
  • KalkinoKalkino Buttons LondresRegistered User regular
    japan wrote: »
    I actually have kind of a difficult time with thinking about the social safety net.

    Generally, the debate tends to split into a couple of fairly poorly defined positions: "There need to be consequences to being unemployed, or else nobody would work", which is not, in and of itself, unreasonable. It gets sticky when it is primarily voiced by those that consider poverty and/or unemployment to be the result of moral failings.

    On the other hand, there are those that recoil in horror from anything that would impinge upon the personal autonomy of those using the services.

    I don't think anyone's really managed to propose a satisfactory compromise. Not least of which because there are a surprising number of people that won't accept any system that isn't explicitly punitive in some way.

    Indeed. Punitive measures and highly restrictive rules seem to go hand in hand when it comes to welfare reform.
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  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    If it's spam, then report and move on.
  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. Risk is our business.Registered User regular
    Just add Tube to the PM and don't talk about it.

    Feed trolls illegal kings forest is
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  • 21stCentury21stCentury Raiding Relics Everyday Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    I won't stop believin'
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  • _J__J_ Pedant Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    _J_ wrote: »
    Anyone else just get a message from @Bewarethem?

    What message did you get?


    Removed
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  • Irond WillIrond Will Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Elldren wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Elldren wrote: »
    Dams also wouldn't stop monsoons

    therefore not a great way to control flooding in Cambodia

    just saying

    i thought that dams are exactly how to mitigate seasonal flooding from things like monsoons.

    didn't the nile do this?

    and the ganges?

    and the yangtse?

    and the upper mississippi?

    Yes, dams with reservoirs are supposed to even out seasonal water levels and prevent flooding. That is one of their purposes.

    Right

    but Cambodia doesn't really have any good place to put a dam reservoir

    Its natural lakes are already huge and the problem rivers and flood areas are just too flat

    like i said; i don't really know anything about cambodia besides the fact that tons of people live there and they flood every year

    also they use fermented fish a lot as a seasoning and it smells like a mixture of vomit and low tide.
  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    "support the arts" doesn't just mean "pay artists so they don't have to get real jobs"

    we are all clear on that point, yes?

    No.

    Well it should be. Because it simply doesn't mean that, or at least ONLY that outside of Bill O'Reilly's fever dreams.

    It also includes things like copyright and fostering programs in schools and museums and festivals and blah blah blah

    It isn't just sending a check to a starving artist. In fact it rarely, if ever, is.

    Which is why I clarified.

    This conversation started when somebody (don't remember who, now) brought up the NEA.
    I am comforted by Richard Dawkins’ theory of memes. Those are mental units: thoughts, ideas, gestures, notions, songs, beliefs, rhymes, ideals, teachings, sayings, phrases, clichés that move from mind to mind as genes move from body to body. After a lifetime of writing, teaching, broadcasting and telling too many jokes, I will leave behind more memes than many. They will all also eventually die, but so it goes. - Roger Ebert, I Do Not Fear Death
  • Irond WillIrond Will Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    dams are one thing where the environmental impact seems to be kind of overstated at times

    I mean of course it depends but people are like of course they're bad for the environment too but like no! not when this conversation was about coal power!

    the negative environmental impact of dams is making a bigger lake that is not really on the same level


    of course unless you're china and like to go a bit crazy with shit like that.

    China tends to go overboard and not check if things are a good idea ahead of time. It's ok, it happens to a lot of countries.

    You can't see but I am gesturing to the land around myself.

    yeah i agree. natick has gotten a little out of hand

    did they never consider the environmental impacts of nine cheesecake factories in the same square mile!?

    THERE IS ONLY ONE YOU JERK. It's right next to a PF Changs and the Macaroni Grill.

    (I am moving for real this summer, eyeing Somerville)

    somerville is tits. i'll keep an ear out

    are you looking to rent or buy? any neighborhoods you have in mind?
  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. Risk is our business.Registered User regular
    The best part of that article I linked a few pages ago is that, in the spirit of protecting businesses from overbearing government regulation, Florida Republicans have absolutely fucked businesses.

    So.

    Good show, chaps.

    Someone post a fucking kitten or a puppy or something.
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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    at least natick has the jordan's furniture imax tho m i rite
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  • GooeyGooey Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    Gooby walks the fine line between self parody and actually getting us to listen to his opinions

    imo

    arch you get me
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  • ArchArch Trust me, I'm a scientist Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    "support the arts" doesn't just mean "pay artists so they don't have to get real jobs"

    we are all clear on that point, yes?

    eh, I think it's a pretty succinct summary of it, actually.

    haha, ok guy

    I'm talking specifically about grants and fellowships to artists.

    I'm not talking about street festivals or museums or commissioning works for public spaces.

    I still disagree with you then!

    Lets fite

    Choos your weapons

    Wait are you saying no to grants and yes commissioning public works?

    p much

    I'm extraordinarily meh on government grants and fellowships to artists.

    I don't support the conservative agenda item of abolishing the NEA at this time because such grants and fellowships are literally the only way some people can avoid dying like Blind Willie Johnson.

    But it was unjust for Johnson to die broke and homeless because it is unjust for anyone to die broke and homeless; that Johnson was a great jazz musician made that injustice more palpable.

    I think these positions are not directly comparable. If we work from the same idea that yes, it is unjust for anyone to die broke and homeless, and we somehow had a strong safety net for all

    I would still want the NEA (or similar) to exist, just like how a safety net for people wouldn't mean I want to get rid of the NSF

    It takes money to make art, beyond just "I hope I can eat today"
  • BeNarwhalBeNarwhal The Gatekeeper of D&D [chat] Toronto, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Although I did not receive a message, I would suggest ignoring + reporting them (by adding a mod to the conversation), given that many of you have received it!

    That is the way to go in what seems like very Lorc-like behaviour.

    Also, hi [chat]! Day 1 of me being da boss is complete. For me.

    And on the topic of funding the arts, as a culinary artist ... :o
  • CindersCinders Registered User regular
    I won't stop believin'

    Don't encourage him.
  • HamurabiHamurabi Registered User regular
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Hamurabi wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/vendor-pulls-obama-target-from-booth-at-nra?ref=fpb
    At its convention in Houston, over the weekend, the National Rifle Association asked a vendor to take down a mannequin target that looked like President Barack Obama, Buzzfeed reported on Sunday.

    The vendor, Zombie Industries, produces "life-sized tactical mannequin" targets that "bleed" when shot. Photographs of the company's booth at the convention taken by Buzzfeed show that the company had several sample mannequins displayed for sale, including a clown, a "terrorist," and a Nazi.

    "Someone from the NRA came by and asked us to remove it" a Zombie Industries booth worker told BuzzFeed, referring to the company's "Bleeding Rocky Zombie" target. "They thought it looked too much like President Obama."

    Buzzfeed asked the worker if the resemblance was intentional.

    "Let's just say I gave my Republican father one for Christmas," the worker replied.

    The Rocky mannequins are being sold at Zombie Industries' website for $89.95 each. The product description states that "Rocky is HIGHLY dangerous due to his quick wit and strength… he was last seen screaming something like, 'Zombie Industries believes in America!' And that we do."

    "What makes our Zombie’s so special?" the product description page asks. "They’re filled with biodegradable matter, which makes clean up a wee-bit easier…(are you happy, mom?) …and oh yah, let’s not forget, they bleed and burst into little pieces of blood soaked, Zombie matter when you shoot them!"
    There is something deeply disturbing about practicing shooting using an effigy of the president.

    Separating out the President Obama part of this -- which is pretty dumb and I feel like that company is relying exactly as heavily on batshit insane right-wingers as it is on the troll reaction from outraged Everyone Else...

    How is this actually different from what we do with video-games? Realistic combat -- sometimes even blood spatters -- are an actual selling point for FPS titles and other violent games. What makes us sane and them crazy?

    Use of live ammo.

    Is that a bridge too far? Is the 'virtual reality' versus 'real reality' part what makes one person perfectly capable of living a normal Sane life and the other incapable of keeping his homicidal tendencies in check?
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  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong and a cast of thousands Registered User regular
    at least natick has the jordan's furniture imax tho m i rite

    I've never been but I hear it's the greatest. I should go see Pacific Rim there.
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  • CorehealerCorehealer The Apothecary Your Dark Descent FriendRegistered User regular
    _J_ shouldn't post Lorc's Papist conspiracies, even if they are quite amusing to read.
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